Today is a special day, because the philosopher who is named after me is our subject. First I want to make something clear. When you make an account in SL you get lastnames offered. You may pick from a list which starts with A. Getting to B I ran into the name Bergson and I thought..ok..that is a philosopher...so I chose that name.
I am so explicite about this because I didnt pick that name because I am a philosopher who feels happy with Bergson's philosophy. Don't expect me to be mild on him because he has my name...:-)
According to Bergson, the RL one in this case, there are two ways to look at reality, an analytic one and a metaphysical one, as he wrote in his "Introduction a la Metaphysique (1903). Science looks at the world analytically and stops the world by doing so.
Bergson uses the metaphysical method, by which he looks at the world in all its dynamics. Science uses the intellect, but the metaphysical methode uses, as he called it , l'intuition - intuition, a kind of intellectual empathy with reality.
He was awarded the Nobel proce for Literature, especially because of his book "L'Evolution créatrice". One comment of the committee was: In the account, so far definitive, of his doctrine, L'évolution créatrice, the master has created a poem of striking grandeur, a cosmogony of great scope and unflagging power, without sacrificing a strictly scientific terminology. It may be difficult at times to profit from its penetrating analysis or from the profundity of its thought; but one always derives from it, without any difficulty, a strong aesthetic impression.
And that hits the bull's eye: we are talking here about "a poem of great grandeur" and you can derive from it "a strong aesthetic impression". And indeed that is true.
Betrand Russell in his "History of western Philosophy" says: Especially analogies and images play an important role in making his ideas believable. The number of images for life, which you find in his works, surpasses by far that of whichver poet is known to me."
In the footsteps of Rousseau, and it seems typically French, Bergon was a supporter of the anti - intellectual, irrational tradition. He invents a special human faculty, called intuition and tells us that this leads to the right insights. The intellect is just a tool that disects reality into sequential pieces.
What should I do with this? I happen to be addicted to the analytical approach of philosophical matters. I prefer logic above claimed intuition. I go for good arguments which you can support with clear evidence. So the ideas of Bergon - you can read them in every encyclopedia - are completely waisted on me.
Yet we have to give him credit. And historically he deserves it indeed. Bergson's outlook had a marked influence on the thought and literature in Europe.
His gift as a writer, his ingenuity in constructing vivid analogies, and his flair for describing the subtleties of immediate experience., contributed to the populatity of his work, as did the impressive use he made of the biological and psychological ideas of his time.
But many of his doctrines were vague and ill-supported by arguments. Too often dramatic formulations are offered where there ought to be sustained logical analysis.
There is for instance no clear statement of how real duration (one of his main concepts), the flow of consciousness, and the élan vital are related. Are these seperate processes or just distinguishable aspects of one process?
Bergson's doctrine of the intellect gave encouragement to the advocates of irrationalism. And here we have entered the twentieth century and philosophers from the Continent.
We will meet some more philosophers , who use the same approach to philosophical questions. Know that I am pretty biased...:-)
At a later age (1932) Bergson's ideas moved in the direction of theology. To begin with he introduced God, at first only as identical with his idea of vital impetus (élan vital), but in his"Les Deux sources de la morale et de la religion" he moved closer to a christian position.
He affirmed that God is love and the object of love. There is also a divine purpose in the evolutionary process. Evolution is nothing less than God's " undertaking to create creators, that He may have, besides Himself, being worthy of His love."
Here I come to a full stop. So far on Henri Bergson.....and I still have to face Heidegger yet, to give you one other name I fear..:-)
The Discussion
[13:27] Gudrun Odriscoll: Is it better to be feared or to be loved. Regarding Heidegger
[13:27] Herman Bergson: This about the man who carries my name..:-)
[13:27] Herman Bergson: Oh my...I dont hope I made you speechless...:-)
[13:28] Athena John: We're contemplating
[13:28] Stanley Aviatik: Not at all
[13:28] Gemma Cleanslate: i think all of the new philosophers coming will be harder!! and to be feared!
[13:28] AristotleVon Doobie: Well I am in your corner inregards to this one Herman
[13:28] Nick Cassavetes: Did he look upon intuïtion as integrating more human faculties then the intellect does?
[13:28] Osrum Sands: Not at all - just this man is sooo opposite from many who have come before him re the God thing
[13:28] AristotleVon Doobie: And I think Love is God
[13:28] AristotleVon Doobie: not the other way around
[13:28] Stanley Aviatik: One question - how did Bergson square evolution and the known biology with religious belief
[13:29] Herman Bergson: OK....STOP..:-)
[13:29] Gudrun Odriscoll: Visual artists here in the UK, but also in NL have rediscovered Bergson. Intution being the keyword
[13:29] arabella Ella: I agree Ari but I would say God is Love
[13:29] Herman Bergson: The relation intuition - intellect....that is an important one
[13:30] Herman Bergson: Bergson had a special interpretation for that...
[13:30] Herman Bergson: In his opinion the intellect disected reality in sequential parts..a kind of spatial thinking....
[13:31] Herman Bergson: while intuition shows us that reality is a permanent flux....
[13:31] Herman Bergson: something named Duration...
[13:31] Nick Cassavetes: I see
[13:31] AristotleVon Doobie: Did he think that all shared the same degree of intuition? it seems such a fortuitous thing.
[13:31] Herman Bergson: and that is a better way of perceiving reality than the intellect does, according to Bergson
[13:32] Gemma Cleanslate: I can see why he would appeal to the artistic mind
[13:32] Herman Bergson: yes indeed Gemma....
[13:32] arabella Ella: don't you think that intuition allows for more possibilities, more imagination and more creativity than does intellect?
[13:33] Herman Bergson: absolutely not..:-)
[13:33] Gemma Cleanslate: and that is why!!!
[13:33] Alarice Beaumont: yes! true!
[13:33] arabella Ella: then we may agree to differ on this point herman ;)
[13:33] AristotleVon Doobie: I think he has merely misrepresented rational thought.
[13:33] Herman Bergson: if you look around and see the results of the scientific mind...isnt that as creative as an artist is?
[13:34] arabella Ella: intuition helps our thinking to get out of the box in such a way that scientific thinking does not allow for
[13:34] Ganymede Blackburn: It is, but it's rarely attributed to intuition, like it should be. :)
[13:34] Athena John: Einstein said something about 90% inspiration, 10% perspiration?
[13:34] arabella Ella: yes Gany
[13:34] Stanley Aviatik: are we not just into semantics here?
[13:34] Herman Bergson: ONE MOMENT PLZ
[13:34] Gudrun Odriscoll: I think that both experience and create reality in a different way.
[13:34] Gemma Cleanslate: it certainly is and many of the scientific minds do think out of the box until they have to apply it in reality
[1[13:35] Herman Bergson: we talk so easily about intuition, as if we know what it refers to....tell me...:-)
[13:35] Ganymede Blackburn: we don't know what it refers to. that's the point.
[13:35] Herman Bergson: exactly
[13:35] Ganymede Blackburn: It's the part of our thinking that's a black box.
[13:36] AristotleVon Doobie: and how would Darwin describe the selection process for the evolution of intuitional powers?
[13:36] Gudrun Odriscoll: Isn't that just dualism again, the separation of intuition (feeling) and intellect
[13:36] Athena John: Intuition is that which we Know, but cannot describe
[13:36] arabella Ella: intuition is hunches, it is our gut feeling which we cannot explain rationally or scientifically
[13:36] Alarice Beaumont: well the more you know and experienced the better your intuiton!
[13:36] AristotleVon Doobie: maybe those with a keen sense of intuition are just smart
[13:36] Gudrun Odriscoll: I agree Alarice
[13:37] Herman Bergson: I dont agree alarice...
[13:37] Alarice Beaumont: well... what does a keen sense means ari?
[13:37] AristotleVon Doobie: intuition sounds too superstitious to me
[13:37] Alarice Beaumont: that you know you can trust your intuiton?
[13:37] Herman Bergson: JUST A MINUTE...
[13:37] Alarice Beaumont: ok
[13:38] Ganymede Blackburn: Every analogy that's ever been made is an example of intuition. It's making connection where there is none.
[13:38] Herman Bergson: I dont agree with Alarice her statement
[13:38] Herman Bergson: let me explain...
[13:38] Herman Bergson: When you look at Hume....
[13:38] Gudrun Odriscoll: Intuiton is informed by experience, by how one has been brought up, learned to instinctivley interpret reality, even if it is false intution, ...
[13:38] Alarice Beaumont: yes gudrun think the same
[13:39] arabella Ella: i agree gudrun
[13:39] Herman Bergson: he explained thinking as associations of ideas, created by sensory experiences..
[13:39] arabella Ella: and the best is to combine both without any dualism ... intellect and intuition
[13:39] Herman Bergson: there is no dualism
[13:39] Alarice Beaumont: yes.. that is a goal
[13:39] AristotleVon Doobie: I agree Herman
[13:39] Herman Bergson: the mind is a unity..and works with its content....
[13:40] Gudrun Odriscoll: there is no dualism in bergson's theory?
[13:40] Herman Bergson: and like Hume talked about assciations of ideas I think as a scientist, when you know a lot, the mind creates associations...
[13:40] Herman Bergson: and sensory input may stimulate new associations..
[13:41] arabella Ella: it does so for those with a background in the humanities too not just for scientists
[13:41] Osrum Sands: is that a bit like Wisdom ?
[13:41] Gemma Cleanslate: :-)
[13:41] Herman Bergson: it can happen in any area of thought
[13:41] Alarice Beaumont: yes... scientist can somehow be too narrow minded after some time
[13:41] Gemma Cleanslate: LOL
[13:41] Alarice Beaumont: ;-)
[13:41] Herman Bergson: that they can be too, Alarice
[13:41] Gemma Cleanslate: FIGHTING WORDS
[13:41] Gudrun Odriscoll: listen the senses are very important for experiencing our world, the mind is informed by senses the mind is in a feedback loop situation -
[13:42] Alarice Beaumont: they loose their intuition.. and newcomers make there way
[13:42] Herman Bergson: but on the other hand you have the stories of a scientist observing a very common thing which gives him all of a sudden new associations of ideas
[13:42] Gemma Cleanslate: like intuition
[13:42] Gemma Cleanslate: :-)
[13:43] Herman Bergson: there is no such thing as intuition as a seperate faculty of the mind
[13:43] Gudrun Odriscoll: lol
[13:43] arabella Ella: like Marie Curie and the petri dish
[13:43] Herman Bergson: for instance
[13:43] AristotleVon Doobie: was the introduction of the concept of intuition a way to reinstill some mystical power since religion was being excluded for philiosphical thought?
[13:43] Athena John: How can you say that as an absolute fact?
[13:43] Gemma Cleanslate: interesting thought Ari
[13:43] Herman Bergson: I dont say it as an absolute fact..I just ask for the reference of the word
[13:44] Herman Bergson: as far as I understand you use the word to refer to certain behavior...
[13:44] Herman Bergson: not well defined..but some kind of behavior
[13:44] Nick Cassavetes: sub-cortical integration of stuff that can't be fully activated in consciousness?
[13:45] Herman Bergson: If you can proof that such a thing happens in the brain Nick, maybe
[13:45] Gudrun Odriscoll: sorry got lost, intuition as form of behaviour? Or do I mistunderstand
[13:45] Herman Bergson: no..it is not a form of behavior...
[13:45] Alarice Beaumont: mmhhhh. don't think that intuition is a from of behavior
[13:46] arabella Ella: but intuition is not a form of behaviour but rather a feeling, an emotion, a way of thinking
[13:46] Alarice Beaumont: if you act on intuition.. then yes
[13:46] Herman Bergson: some of you use the word and it seem to refer to some kind of behavior
[13:46] arabella Ella: and brain science still has probs with such stuff
[13:46] AristotleVon Doobie: an emotin would make it ancient not cerebral
[13:46] Alarice Beaumont: yes. arabella.. based on expirience and knowledge
[13:46] Gudrun Odriscoll: No, I do not think either, but what did behavior refer to, before, loosing the discussion too fast.
[13:46] Ze Novikov: is intuition then something we have control over?
[13:47] Herman Bergson: as far as I know..intuition is a word we use...I dont know to what human faculty it refers
[13:47] AristotleVon Doobie: intuition is a little bit fuzzy, isnt it?
[13:47] Alarice Beaumont: no I would not say that we have control over intuiton.. we have control whether we act on it
[13:47] Gudrun Odriscoll: somebody said gut feeling before, something that might be connected to the solar plexus (metaphorical!)
[13:47] Ganymede Blackburn: Subconcious.
[13:48] Ze Novikov: umm
[13:48] arabella Ella: isn't intuition a feeling like fear or pleasure or love over which we may if we wish have some element of control?
[13:48] Alarice Beaumont: mmhh a little bit yes.. .it's action on your stomac feeling ;-)
[13:48] Herman Bergson: Unless it refers to the possibility of putting a statement without justifcation, just refering...is my intuition
[13:48] Ze Novikov: lol
[13:48] AristotleVon Doobie: could you place a bet on the outcome of intuition?
[13:49] Alarice Beaumont: intuiton is more an emotion... you cannot actually argue why excact you think that it is right what you wnat to do
[13:49] Herman Bergson: if you believe it is some human faculty, Aristotle
[13:49] Alarice Beaumont: yes ari... from your own experience
[13:49] AristotleVon Doobie: I am afraid I am too black and white
[13:50] Alarice Beaumont: hih... for now.. you are just hair for me ;-)))
[13:50] Alarice Beaumont: LL
[13:50] Herman Bergson: But let's get back to the main issue here...
[13:50] Herman Bergson: there is a philosopher who became really popular whose used this concept to base a whole metaphysics on it..
[13:51] Herman Bergson: he came up with the idea there is intellect and there is intuition...and intuition leads to a beter understanding of reality than the intellect
[13:51] Osrum Sands: my intuition suggests he might have been a 'coke' freak !
[13:52] AristotleVon Doobie: lol
[13:52] AristotleVon Doobie: rofl
[13:52] Herman Bergson: and here I agree with the Nobel committee.....grandious poetry
[13:52] Ze Novikov: lol
[13:52] arabella Ella: but even poetry or narrative can lead to important insights
[13:52] Gudrun Odriscoll: I still would say intution might be connected to the senses, expereincing with senses, while intellect is more cerebral
[13:53] AristotleVon Doobie: I agree arabella
[13:53] Herman Bergson: Gudrun..you tend to a bergsonian view that the intellect sees the world in a mechanistic way and intuition grasps the real flux
[13:53] Gudrun Odriscoll: sense, more feelings I would say, and this is poetic - it is as arabella said something that can lead to insights
[13:54] Alarice Beaumont: that doesn't sound too bad
[13:54] Alarice Beaumont: :-)
[13:54] AristotleVon Doobie: I think the insigts must lead to the poetry
[13:54] Herman Bergson: OK....
[13:54] Ganymede Blackburn: You still need intellect for verification, though.
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[13:54] Osrum Sands: and poetry to truth ?
[13:54] Herman Bergson: What we know of the brain is that it can combine information in its own way...
[13:54] AristotleVon Doobie: poetry is just a simile for the truth?
[13:55] Gudrun Odriscoll: No I do not, but I have read so much stuff about computional models of the mind, and there are so many mistakes in it, that I see intellect as something that is not the yellow on the egg either. Intellect is only a part of the whol process of beisng, mind
[13:55] arabella Ella: yes i agree with gany that we then need intellect for verification but intuition can provide the inspiration
[13:55] Herman Bergson: I prefer to see the mind as a whole...with all its possibilities...
[13:56] Alarice Beaumont: if you act on intuition it can help to verify, too
[13:56] AristotleVon Doobie: yes I can not separte the intuition form the intellect
[13:56] arabella Ella: science is often linear and progressive, intuition can provide ideas which eventually lead to paradigm shifts
[13:56] Mickorod Renard: what are the parameters of the word intuition?
[13:56] Alarice Beaumont: i agree arabella
[13:56] Herman Bergson: You still talk as if intuition is a special faculty of the mind
[13:56] Gudrun Odriscoll: Me too, but you tend to interpret the mind more as intellect, as ratio, am I wrong?
[13:57] Mickorod Renard: what range?
[13:57] Herman Bergson: no one has yet clearly defined intuition..
[13:57] AristotleVon Doobie: and to allow intuition as a separte entity then you are compartmentilizing the mind
[13:57] Mickorod Renard: ok ish
[13:57] Herman Bergson: No..the mind isnt just intellect....
[13:57] Alarice Beaumont: i think you cannot separate it Ari
[13:57] Herman Bergson: it is a playground for content...
[13:58] Herman Bergson: we have logic but also fantasy
[13:58] Ishtar Ihnen is Online
[13:58] arabella Ella: i think that a person's intuition can be developed as a skill into something that some of us sometimes consider to be sixth sense ... knowing stuff without evidence
[13:58] AristotleVon Doobie: if you say the intuition is the retreival of stored knowledge form the brain then Ican see it
[13:58] Nick Cassavetes: I'm off to PH again, thx for the lecture herman
[13:59] Gudrun Odriscoll: I hate the leg, way behind, no misunderstandings are ripe
[13:59] AristotleVon Doobie: bye nick
[13:59] Herman Bergson: Ok Nick...enjoy..:-)
[13:59] Ganymede Blackburn: Bye, Nick. :)
[13:59] Gudrun Odriscoll: bye
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[13:59] Mickorod Renard: bye nick
[13:59] Mickorod Renard: i like that ari
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[14:00] Alarice Beaumont: think arabella just put it right.. sixth sense!
[14:00] Herman Bergson: Well, at least you learnt that I really can t work with this kind of pure verbal philosophy..:-)
[14:00] AristotleVon Doobie: sounds spooky
[14:00] arabella Ella: it is, intuition, stuff we know but cannot verbalise or rationalise
[14:00] Gudrun Odriscoll: Herman, do you have intuition?
[14:00] Alarice Beaumont: well.. if intuition works out.. i think it really can be spooky ;-)
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[14:00] AristotleVon Doobie: :)
[14:01] Athena John: Sorry, I must go. Bye everyone!
[14:01] arabella Ella: why spooky Alarice? i love intuition
[14:01] arabella Ella: bye athena
[14:01] Gudrun Odriscoll: Bye athena
[14:01] Herman Bergson: I could refrase Arabella's idea....
[14:01] Alarice Beaumont: lol
[14:01] Mickorod Renard: bye athe
[14:01] Stanley Aviatik: bye athena
[14:01] Alarice Beaumont: well.. for a rationalist person.. if intution becomes true.. i think they get scared!
[14:01] Alarice Beaumont: not in too negative sense... because they don't understand it
[14:01] Herman Bergson: there is no intuition there, but the ability to combine information in a cunning way
[14:01] Alarice Beaumont: bye
[14:02] Qwark Allen: got to go to!! very interesting!!!!
[14:02] AristotleVon Doobie: but there are no ghost under my bed LOL
[14:02] Herman Bergson: Bye Qwark
[14:02] Ganymede Blackburn: Bye, Quark. :)
[14:02] arabella Ella: not 'cunning' herman more like 'streetwise'
[14:02] Ze Novikov: bb
[14:02] Alarice Beaumont: yes... but somehow not knowingly herman
[14:02] Qwark Allen: time flyed again
[14:02] Gudrun Odriscoll: bye
[14:02] Alarice Beaumont: bye qwark!
[14:02] AristotleVon Doobie: bye q-man
[14:02] Mickorod Renard: maybe there was a time when we didnt know anything so we had a basic program called intuition for survival
[14:02] Stanley Aviatik: Bye
[14:02] Qwark Allen: cya soon
[14:02] Qwark Allen: :-D
[14:02] Herman Bergson: yes....I agree....
[14:02] Herman Bergson: not knowingly or by factual reasoning
[14:02] Mickorod Renard: D
[14:03] Alarice Beaumont: yes
[14:03] arabella Ella: yes Mick i agree intuition is closely linked to instinct which is what humanity in primitive times had
[14:03] Gudrun Odriscoll: yes, but it is beyound our control, or so it seems. Other output of information is far more controllable,
[14:03] Ganymede Blackburn: We still rely on it.
[14:03] Alarice Beaumont: we can choose whether we rely on it or not
[14:03] Alarice Beaumont: it's not like a reflex
[14:03] Herman Bergson: that is what Bergson said..intuition is based on instinct...that is why intellect is inferior
[14:03] AristotleVon Doobie: if intuition is ancient then it is only a tool we use to survive
[14:03] Mickorod Renard: we override it unless we need it
[14:04] Gudrun Odriscoll: Yesw, ever expereinced that you did not rely on your intution, and had a really bad experience?
[14:04] arabella Ella: yes
[14:04] Alarice Beaumont: yes
[14:04] Gemma Cleanslate: yes lol
[14:04] Gemma Cleanslate: i have
[14:04] arabella Ella: yes Gudrun and yes Mick
[14:04] Mickorod Renard: a bit
[14:04] Mickorod Renard: yes
[14:04] Alarice Beaumont: what about you ari?
[14:05] AristotleVon Doobie: the bad experience mst be blame on a poor decision not some mystical
[14:05] Alarice Beaumont: :-)
[14:05] Gudrun Odriscoll: But intuiton is not mystical
[14:05] Gemma Cleanslate: well this is a reapeat now :-)))
[14:05] Alarice Beaumont: for a rationlist it is.. i think!
[14:05] Herman Bergson: No..but what bergson did was set up a taxonomy of mental faculties and put intuition at the top
[14:05] Mickorod Renard: could be divine interfearance?
[14:05] Gemma Cleanslate: i hope i can be here Sunday i think so at this time . my intuition says so
[14:06] Alarice Beaumont: lol
[14:06] AristotleVon Doobie: unless it is like hunger or the figth or flight instinct
[14:06] Gudrun Odriscoll: LOL
[14:06] Ze Novikov: lol
[14:06] Gemma Cleanslate: thanks Herman
[14:06] Gemma Cleanslate: :-)
[14:06] Alarice Beaumont: based on knowledge lOL
[14:06] Herman Bergson: bye Gemma
[14:06] Gemma Cleanslate: or lack of it
[14:06] Ze Novikov: bye
[14:06] Gemma Cleanslate: bye!!
[14:06] Gudrun Odriscoll: by gemma
[14:06] AristotleVon Doobie: bye gemma
[14:06] Mickorod Renard: bye gem
[14:06] Herman Bergson: happy flight..:-)
[14:06] Alarice Beaumont: bye gema :-)
[14:06] Ganymede Blackburn: Bye, Gemma. :)
[14:06] arabella Ella: bye gemma
[14:06] Stanley Aviatik: Sorry folks lagg proms think will crash - apologies if dont make it back
[14:06] Alarice Beaumont: is intuition something more women rely on than men?
[14:07] Gudrun Odriscoll: I think so, Alarice
[14:07] Herman Bergson: NO....:-)
[14:07] AristotleVon Doobie: ahhh...women's intuition
[14:07] Alarice Beaumont: lol thought so!
[14:07] Alarice Beaumont: lol
[14:07] Ganymede Blackburn: I doubt it. That's just my intuition talking, though... :)
[14:07] AristotleVon Doobie: which side of the brain processes it I wonder
[14:07] Herman Bergson: you are refering to social behavior Alarice
[14:07] arabella Ella: right brain Ari and more female yes
[14:07] Alarice Beaumont: somehow..mostly men have problems to say that they act on intuition
[14:07] Mickorod Renard: if its what women use for map reading then i wouldnt rely on it
[14:07] Osrum Sands: and ladies
[14:08] Osrum Sands: stop the sexist stuff there Gudrun
[14:08] Alarice Beaumont: lol
[14:08] arabella Ella: hey Mick try me for map reading ;)
[14:08] AristotleVon Doobie: well then that explins it
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[14:08] Alarice Beaumont: ll
[14:08] Mickorod Renard: ok anytime
[14:08] Alarice Beaumont: i just turn the map into the direction i drive LOL that works.. ;-)
[14:08] Mickorod Renard: i like mystery tours
[14:08] Ze Novikov: lol
[14:08] Gudrun Odriscoll: I dont want to be sexist, but honestly it would be gender-biased. I must say that most women I know have got less problems talking about intuion than guys
[14:08] arabella Ella: lol
[14:08] arabella Ella: yes gudrun i agree
[14:08] Alarice Beaumont: lol
[14:09] Alarice Beaumont: me too
[14:09] Ze Novikov: lol
[14:09] Ze Novikov: yes
[14:09] Herman Bergson: STOP THIS..lol
[14:09] AristotleVon Doobie: well it may hve some validity for I surely repest the women think
[14:09] Alarice Beaumont: my intuition said ari would answer the way he did LOL
[14:09] Ze Novikov: lol
[14:09] Herman Bergson: this isnt a philosophical debate anymore..:-)
[14:09] AristotleVon Doobie: LOl
[14:09] Gudrun Odriscoll: LOL
[14:09] Osrum Sands: its interesting but I have noticed that you ladies have been more out there in this discussion then us men
[14:09] arabella Ella: 'repest'? ari?
[14:09] Osrum Sands: so
[14:09] AristotleVon Doobie: respect
[14:09] AristotleVon Doobie: sorry
[14:09] Gudrun Odriscoll: AHA
[14:09] arabella Ella: ok
[14:09] Osrum Sands: I guess thats your point Gudrun
[14:10] Gudrun Odriscoll: OHO
[14:10] Mickorod Renard: we men o so egotistical we just call it knowledge
[14:10] Ze Novikov: lol
[14:10] Alarice Beaumont: ;-)
[14:10] AristotleVon Doobie: I am not egotistical, I am merely convinced
[14:10] Ze Novikov: lol
[14:10] Mickorod Renard: grin
[14:10] Herman Bergson: Ok I switch to counseling now...:-)
[14:10] Ganymede Blackburn: okay, enough of this...
[14:10] Gudrun Odriscoll: empirical rational -- nothing wrong with knowledge, though
[14:10] arabella Ella: it is really that men need to have reasons, causes, women do not and can act on feelings, hunches and intuition
[14:11] AristotleVon Doobie: and do you think that is part of our nurturing?
[14:11] arabella Ella: it is yes Ari
[14:11] Osrum Sands: or the hard wireing of the brain
[14:11] Gudrun Odriscoll: Philosopohical counseling?
[14:11] AristotleVon Doobie: I need it!
[14:11] Herman Bergson: Sort of maybe..:-)
[14:11] Alarice Beaumont: :-)
[14:12] arabella Ella: philo counselling ... good idea for after the philo no 100
[14:12] Ganymede Blackburn: It was a great lecture, herman. I think you did a great job of presenting a philosopher whose thoughts you so obviously take issue with...
[14:12] Herman Bergson: I suggest to dismiss class..:-)
[14:12] Ganymede Blackburn: ...thank you.
[14:12] Ze Novikov: lol
[14:12] Alarice Beaumont: thx a lot herman :-)
[14:12] Ze Novikov: ty!!!
[14:12] AristotleVon Doobie: Thank you Heramn, and good to be back
[14:12] Herman Bergson: thank you Ganymede
[14:12] Alarice Beaumont: great again
[14:12] Gudrun Odriscoll: Thanks you, Herman. Bye bye all of your was great. See you Sunday, hopefully
[14:12] Mickorod Renard: thanx herman, soz i missed some lately,,,been away
[14:12] arabella Ella: thank you so much again herman
[14:12] AristotleVon Doobie: bye Gudrun
[14:12] Alarice Beaumont: think so gudrun ;-)
[14:13] arabella Ella: bye everyone
[14:13] Mickorod Renard: bye gud
[14:13] Alarice Beaumont: bye all.. have a nice evening :-))
[14:13] Ze Novikov: bb
[14:13] Osrum Sands: cheers all
[14:13] Mickorod Renard: bye ara
[14:13] Mickorod Renard: bye os
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