One thing may be clear by now: Rousseau's observation that man is the happiest when living in a natural state
and that civilization is a curse and not a blessing, makes sense. It is confirmed by anthropological research among hunter / gatherers.
Keep in mind that we are talking about the period between, say 1630 -1730, if it is about Rousseau's and Hobbes' observations about human life.
Hobbes, on the other hand, was really wrong. He described the life of his ancestors as "filthy, brutal and short", while it is quite probable that the opposite was true.
Hobbes was weighed down by the curse of civilization himself. He lost his employer in 1628 because of the plague.
In 1640 he had to flee to Paris to save his life, just before the English Civil War. Hobbes deduced his view of man from the hard life he himself had to endure.
I can hear you wonder: But don't we also owe a lot to civilization? Apart from war and greed, hasn't the modern world also brought us much beauty?
Of course. But it's easy to forget that real progress is a very recent phenomenon. Until the French Revolution (1789), almost all states around the world were based on forced labor and slavery.
Until 1800, at least three-quarters of the world's population were slaves of some wealthy guy.
More than 90 percent of the population worked in agriculture, and more than 80 percent lived in extreme poverty.
"Man is born free, but he is everywhere in chains," wrote Rousseau. Civilization has long been a disaster.
From the city to the state, from agriculture to writing - for most people, those inventions brought more misery than prosperity.
In the past two hundred years, which is a very brief period of time, we have made so much progress that we have forgotten how bad life used to be.
If the history of civilization would last last 24 hours, it was 23 hours and 45 minutes of bitter misery, to suddenly turn out to be a great idea in the last fifteen minutes.
Check it out. First, we have dealt with most infectious diseases in the past century. Vaccines now save more lives every year than world peace would have done in the entire twentieth century.
It speaks for itself, that there now are 88 attempts underway to create a vaccine against COVID-19. We wouldn't expect anything else.
Second, we are richer than ever - the number of people living in extreme poverty has fallen below 10 percent.
Third, slavery has been abolished. It was only in 1833, that The Slavery Abolition Act abolished slavery throughout the British Empire.
On September 22, 1862, Lincoln issued a preliminary emancipation proclamation, and on January 1, 1863, he made it official
that “slaves within any State, or designated part of a State…in rebellion,…shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free.”
Finally, the best news is that we are living in the most peaceful times ever. Due to the media and their permanent focus on violence and sensation you may find it hard to believe,
but in the Middle Ages, up to 12 percent of the population died in Europe and Asia a violent deaths,
but in the past hundred years we have reached worldwide, including two world wars, a level of only 1.3 percent.
In a country like the Netherlands we are now talking about 0.03 percent per year.
So we don't have to be fatalistic about civilization, like Rousseau. The curse can be lifted.
We can organize our agriculture and livestock farming, our cities and states differently, so that they bring prosperity to everyone.
In that respect, the French philosopher was completely wrong. But the work of Jean-Jacques Rousseau reminds us where we come from.
95 percent of our history mankind has enjoyed a life in a relatively peaceful and egalitarian world.
We now have evolved to a level that we have to work together and to take care of each other.
Climate change, natural resources, dinking water supply, energy, worldwide pollution, all issues that can not be handled by individual states alone anymore.
We may praise ourselves lucky that history shows that most people are OK.
And that a lot of people seem to agree, may be clear. The world population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 7.7 billion today.
Thank you for your attention again...
Main Sources:
MacMillan The Encyclopedia of Philosophy, 2nd edition
Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy, 1995
http://plato.stanford.edu/contents.htm
Rutger Bregman, "De meeste mensen deugen",, 2019
The Discussion
[13:21] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ♥ Thank Youuuuuuuuuu!! ♥
[13:21] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): Thank you Herman
[13:21] Elisabeth (elisabeth3210): ty :)
[13:21] CB Axel: Thank you, Herman.
[13:21] herman Bergson: My pleasure ^_^
[13:21] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): Can the world handle many more people?
[13:22] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): getting tight
[13:22] herman Bergson: I don't know...but the growth of population a has gone down to 1.2% a year now
[13:22] Elisabeth (elisabeth3210): no, we need to stop reproducing like rabbits, unlimited growth is not compatible with limited resources.
[13:22] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): thinks that agricultural changes could cope with that
[13:22] Elisabeth (elisabeth3210): either that, or we start to colonize other planets
[13:22] herman Bergson: True Elisaeth
[13:23] herman Bergson: Vertical agriculture for instance
[13:23] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): right
[13:23] herman Bergson: We have that in our Dutch greenhouses
[13:23] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): yes
[13:23] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): whole buildings as tall as skyscrapers
[13:23] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): filled with veggies
[13:24] herman Bergson: is a thinkable solution
[13:24] Elisabeth (elisabeth3210): nods, love those
[13:24] herman Bergson: just imagine....
[13:24] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): and we are being told too much meat eaten now anyway
[13:24] herman Bergson: the earth could hold a growth of population from 1 to 7.7 billion in 200 years
[13:25] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): altho people here are going nuts thinking about less meat right now
[13:25] herman Bergson: and besides that there still has been enough food
[13:25] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): tricky problem for sure
[13:25] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): to solve
[13:25] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): the coming up generation will figure some of it out i bet
[13:25] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): but there will be a limit on growing
[13:25] herman Bergson: We live in the most prosperous times in history at the moment
[13:26] herman Bergson: in many respects....
[13:26] herman Bergson: in a material and immaterial sense
[13:27] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): true
[13:27] herman Bergson: If you want detailed information....
[13:27] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): i am sure there are papers
[13:27] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): probably
[13:27] herman Bergson: .
[13:27] herman Bergson: go to OurWorldInData.org
[13:27] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): ok
[13:27] herman Bergson: a goldmine
[13:28] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ah ok
[13:28] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): ㋡
[13:28] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): ill check
[13:28] herman Bergson: How is it with your somewhat gloomy view on it all CB?
[13:29] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): :)
[13:29] CB Axel: We have plenty of resources, true, but the distribution of those resources is uneven.
[13:29] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): oh yes
[13:29] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): indeed too uneven
[13:29] herman Bergson: YEs it is....
[13:29] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): way to uneven
[13:30] CB Axel: Because too many people are not OK. :p
[13:30] Elisabeth (elisabeth3210): it may get even more uneven after covid
[13:30] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): the food lines in the usa right now are absolutely amazing
[13:30] herman Bergson: Even at the present in the US, where they can't get the food products to the right places
[13:30] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): hundreds of cars line up
[13:30] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): right
[13:30] herman Bergson: Total lack of organisation and control....
[13:30] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): yep
[13:30] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): total
[13:31] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): except for local efforts
[13:31] herman Bergson: Sad to see, I can tell you
[13:31] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): hmm indeed
[13:31] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): Africa is going to be more of a disaster it is said
[13:31] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): :(
[13:31] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): soon
[13:31] herman Bergson: due to COVIS-19 Gemma?
[13:31] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): yes
[13:32] herman Bergson: oh my....
[13:32] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): was headed the other way til this
[13:32] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): we will see
[13:32] CB Axel: Hogs are being euthanized in Iowa right now, because the slaughter houses are closing.
[13:33] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): perhaps a vaccine willl get done sooner than later
[13:33] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): well pres has mandated opening them
[13:33] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): we will see how that goes too
[13:33] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): tsk
[13:33] CB Axel: Crops are rotting in the fields, because there are no guest workers to harvest them.
[13:33] herman Bergson: Oxford is ahead of things it seems
[13:33] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): guesst workers are allowed
[13:33] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): aaa thats another big problem indeed
[13:33] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): but must be legally done
[13:34] CB Axel: Sure. Open the meat processing plants. When all of the workers get sick and die who's going to do the work? The rich? I don't think so.
[13:34] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): that was clarified
[13:34] herman Bergson: No illegal immigrants allowed
[13:34] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): right!!!
[13:34] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): lolol
[13:34] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): i have a picture of that
[13:34] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): well we live in interesting times
[13:35] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): I guess we do
[13:35] herman Bergson: Yes we do....
[13:35] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): all new thinking needed
[13:35] CB Axel: After one of the big plagues workers began to get better pay and more rights.
[13:35] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): perhaps new philosophy
[13:35] herman Bergson: and as I made clear....we live in the result of the past 200 years.....
[13:35] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): yes
[13:35] CB Axel: Maybe the workers who survive Covid 19 will finally be valued again.
[13:35] herman Bergson: That is an amazing short time
[13:36] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): sure is
[13:36] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): I guess
[13:36] herman Bergson: And these are amazing times
[13:36] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): looking at the amount of time it took early man to stand up
[13:36] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): wwo
[13:37] herman Bergson: We are the richest, healthiest , well fed people in history
[13:37] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): but
[13:37] herman Bergson: ..
[13:37] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): rousseau was correct when he talked about paying attention to nature
[13:37] herman Bergson: Yes he was....
[13:37] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): indeed
[13:37] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): we often forget that nature is very important
[13:38] herman Bergson: His idea of "Retournos a la nature", makes sense
[13:38] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): just dont throw out the baby with the bathwater
[13:38] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): destroying nature and ecosystems have disastrous consequences
[13:38] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): nature strikes back
[13:38] herman Bergson: Think so too BEjiita
[13:38] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): yes
[13:39] herman Bergson: What Rousseau never could have foreseen is the free development of science when religion lost its grip on society
[13:39] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): very true
[13:39] CB Axel nods
[13:39] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): who could
[13:39] herman Bergson: indeed....evolution is a random process
[13:40] herman Bergson: We just happen to be where we are now, because we are :-)
[13:40] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): who knows what lies ahead of us
[13:40] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): yes
[13:41] herman Bergson: unpredictable....
[13:41] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): true
[13:41] herman Bergson: In the 60s or 70s there was that funny science called Futurology....
[13:41] Elisabeth (elisabeth3210): the volcanic eruptions of the Pliocene, the Late Cenozoic Ice Age glaciations.. that was also nature at work
[13:41] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): oh yes
[13:41] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): it is still around
[13:41] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate) GIGGLES!!
[13:41] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ...LOL...
[13:42] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): hehe ok
[13:42] herman Bergson: Yes Elisabeth...who knows what will happen in the future,..
[13:42] herman Bergson: Yes GEmma and they never had it right :-)
[13:42] Max Chatnoir is online.
[13:42] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): was that bout building these futuristic houses looking like ufos both outside and inside?
[13:42] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): jetson style
[13:43] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): I liked that
[13:43] Elisabeth (elisabeth3210): we talk about nature as if it were some benevolent conscious entity aiming at some sort of equilibrium but
[13:43] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): but true u can never forsee the future
[13:43] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): maybe we will build cities underground and let plants grow above
[13:43] herman Bergson: Nature is a random thing....
[13:43] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): still trying tho
[13:43] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): well u can predict weather but thats about all
[13:44] herman Bergson: That is based on real observations, Bejiita
[13:44] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): yes known patterns beforehand
[13:44] herman Bergson: and even then they aren't always right ^_^
[13:44] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): no
[13:45] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): you only say it's raining when you feel water on your head
[13:45] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): byt last weeks predictions were at least right, that it should get much colder
[13:45] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ha
[13:46] herman Bergson: I only say it when someone is pissed on me Beertje :-)
[13:46] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): grins
[13:46] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): muggenpies
[13:47] herman Bergson: Well....despite the COVID crisis, I think we live in lovely and exciting times in human history
[13:47] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): even more so because of it I'm Sorry! to say
[13:47] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): I sorry..
[13:47] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): aa I hope this awful thing will be over soon and all back to normal again
[13:47] Elisabeth (elisabeth3210): I think we are heading towards a terrible crisis
[13:47] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): thinks normal is a long way off
[13:47] herman Bergson: I wish I could have a time machine and go to the 17 century for instance...
[13:48] CB Axel: I think we may have to live with a different normal.
[13:48] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): depends of what we think is normal
[13:48] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): waiting to see what happens in the state of georgia which is going the way of Sweden now
[13:48] herman Bergson: to see how Hobbes lived....his world
[13:48] Elisabeth (elisabeth3210): where the upper middle class will become rich, the rich millionaires and the rest of us. ... will really struggle
[13:48] CB Axel: We may always need to wear masks.
[13:48] FrannyDJ Dean is online.
[13:48] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): it would be cool, not sure I would like getting cought up in the french revolution though even I love playing Assasins Creed Unity
[13:48] herman Bergson: Very futuristic CB :-)
[13:48] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): many in Asia have done that for a long time now
[13:48] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): pollution
[13:48] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): the visuals of Notre Dame are so realistic in the game it will be used to rebuild it
[13:48] herman Bergson: Yes Georgia is a creepy issue
[13:48] Elisabeth (elisabeth3210): I cannot breath with those masks
[13:49] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): not easy
[13:49] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): have to learn
[13:49] CB Axel: The masks get very hot in the summer, too.
[13:49] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): ice packin it CB
[13:49] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): hmm I guess when its all over pollution will be back to normal or maybe we have learned something
[13:50] CB Axel: And in the winter the mask deflects my breath upward and fogs my glasses.
[13:50] herman Bergson: Pence didn't wear a mask because he wanted too look the people in the eyes....lol
[13:50] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): bring the mask higher then put on your glasses
[13:50] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): it helps
[13:50] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): he doesn't need to cover his eyes with a mask
[13:50] CB Axel: If he's wearing it over his eyes, he's wearing it wrong.
[13:50] Elisabeth (elisabeth3210): its also worrisome how they are forcing all these measures on the population and we are accepting everything without questioning them
[13:50] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate) GIGGLES!!
[13:50] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ...LOL...
[13:50] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): eh wore one today tho
[13:50] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): went to auto plant
[13:50] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): and wore it
[13:50] herman Bergson: He probably didnt know :-)))
[13:50] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): oh he did
[13:51] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): everyone one there had one on and he did not
[13:51] CB Axel: He probably thinks Jesus is his vaccine.
[13:51] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): yes
[13:51] herman Bergson: Yes Elisabeth...that is a talking point here too
[13:51] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): well at least he shows compassion sometimes
[13:51] herman Bergson: Absolutely CB :-)
[13:51] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): not the other idiot
[13:51] herman Bergson: That's true Gemma
[13:51] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): Trump?
[13:52] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): shhh
[13:52] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): other idiot should tell it all
[13:52] herman Bergson: No cursing in my class Bejiita!!!!
[13:52] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): lol
[13:52] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate) GIGGLES!!
[13:52] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ...LOL...
[13:52] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): Order!!!!!!... Order!! ... Order!! ...Order, Order!!! Order! Order!!! .... Order
[13:52] herman Bergson: lol
[13:52] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): ㋡
[13:52] CB Axel: Maybe Pence will get the virus and give it to Trump.
[13:52] herman Bergson: Indeed
[13:52] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): hmm
[13:53] herman Bergson: That would be interesting....!
[13:53] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): yo9u know i am getting to look like him more and more each day with my hair!!!!
[13:53] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): boris that is
[13:53] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): orange Gemma?
[13:53] CB Axel: It would save us the trouble of rolling out the guillotines.
[13:53] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate) GIGGLES!!
[13:53] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ...LOL...
[13:53] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): no
[13:53] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): haha
[13:53] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): sticking out all over like boris johnson
[13:53] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): the anoying oranges!
[13:53] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): :))
[13:53] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): lol
[13:53] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): a classic
[13:54] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): i thought you ment Trump
[13:54] Elisabeth (elisabeth3210): what if the drastic measures they are implementing to fight Covid end up causing more deaths than Covid ?
[13:54] herman Bergson: Well...I guess we are pretyy done with the subject of today, I guess :-)
[13:54] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): no his hair is always disgustingly sort of neat
[13:54] Elisabeth (elisabeth3210): I hear the rate of unemployment when this is over may reach 30% of the working population
[13:54] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): it is near that now
[13:55] Elisabeth (elisabeth3210): it used to be 3% pre-covid, no?
[13:55] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont) whispers: photo Gemma???
[13:55] herman Bergson: Didn't happen in Europe Elisabeth...
[13:55] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): but that means 60% are still working
[13:55] Elisabeth (elisabeth3210): right
[13:55] herman Bergson: That is how American workers are treated....
[13:55] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): who beertje boris?
[13:56] Elisabeth (elisabeth3210): uncertain and confusing times these are, thats for sure
[13:56] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont) whispers: no you...>
[13:56] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate) GIGGLES!!
[13:56] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ...LOL...
[13:56] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): forget it
[13:56] herman Bergson: The US is in the 1929 stock market crash state now
[13:56] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/30/848496099/boris-johnson-u-k-is-past-the-peak-of-its-coronavirus-outbreak
[13:56] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): grins
[13:56] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ys it is
[13:57] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ah well
[13:57] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): after Covid 19 there is a lot of work to do
[13:57] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): what next
[13:57] herman Bergson: you look nice with that hair, Gemma ^_^
[13:57] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ♥ Thank Youuuuuuuuuu!! ♥
[13:57] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate) GIGGLES!!
[13:57] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ...LOL...
[13:57] Elisabeth (elisabeth3210): But who will dare opening a little business after covid Beertje?
[13:57] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): oh i think they will
[13:58] Elisabeth (elisabeth3210): Amazon may take over the role of all the little local book shops we loved so much
[13:58] CB Axel: A lot of businesses will never reopen.
[13:58] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): but handle it a little differently
[13:58] herman Bergson: We try to save as many businesses as we can here
[13:58] herman Bergson: the Netherlands I mean
[13:58] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): aaa I try supporting my fav yummy places at east
[13:58] Elisabeth (elisabeth3210): because, how am I to invest my savings on a little business knowing that the next shutdown may be around the corner?
[13:58] herman Bergson: You never should invest your savings in the first place, Elisabeth
[13:59] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): entrepreneurs don't really think that way
[13:59] Elisabeth (elisabeth3210): be it a coffee shop, a library, a tiny fashion shop
[13:59] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): they look for money other than their own usually
[13:59] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): it's always a risk Elisabeth, but there will be another chance
[13:59] Elisabeth (elisabeth3210): what if ali-baba, amazon, starbucks, mcdonalds, take over
[13:59] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): well if we buy that way and I do
[14:00] Elisabeth (elisabeth3210): entrepreneurs dislike risk
[14:00] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): rigth
[14:00] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): so they look for sponsors
[14:00] Elisabeth (elisabeth3210): so do financial institutions who lend money to small entrepreneurs
[14:00] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): yep
[14:00] herman Bergson: If you think like an entrepreneur, then you shouldnt invest your money Elisabeth
[14:01] Zed de Tremont (zed.tremont) is online.
[14:01] herman Bergson: Keep it in a reliable bank
[14:01] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): time to run off
[14:01] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ♥ Thank Youuuuuuuuuu!! ♥
[14:01] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): oki Gemma
[14:01] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): cu ㋡
[14:01] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): bye for now
[14:01] herman Bergson: Time to dismiss class indeed Gemma :-)
[14:01] Elisabeth (elisabeth3210): bye :)
[14:01] bergfrau Apfelbaum: byebye Gemma:-)
[14:01] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): aaa time to head out for me too¨
[14:01] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): cu next time
[14:01] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): ㋡
[14:02] herman Bergson: Thank you all again :-)
[14:02] bergfrau Apfelbaum: Thank you Herman and class!
[14:02] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): ;)
[14:02] CB Axel: Have a nice weekend, everyone. See you next week. :)
[14:02] Elisabeth (elisabeth3210): thanks for the class herman
[14:02] herman Bergson: You too CB :-)
[14:02] herman Bergson: .
[14:02] herman Bergson: My pleasure Elisabeth
[14:02] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): have a nice and healthy weekend
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