When I was a student of philosophy in 1969 -1972, I wrote down my "brilliant " philosophical thoughts in a notebook, but then, when I got my bachelor's degree and specialized for my master's degree (1973 -1976),
I chose logic, epistemology, philosophy of mind, and philosophy of science as my program. And then I learned that all those "brilliant" ideas of mine were the general theory in those fields.
You would expect a terrible disillusionment, but on the contrary, my general feeling was that I was right and a child of my time, that I subconsciously had felt the "Zeitgeist".
Here in the Philosophy Class, I pick my themes based on my personal interests and also ask you if you have special interests.
The current project is based on an intellectual exchange with you here, and it delivered the new theme of the next project: The History of Economic Thought.
There was a general feeling in the group that something was wrong with our present situation: a world all about money and profits.
So let's go for it and investigate WHY capitalism seems to prevail as an economic system.
And here it comes: we too are children of our time, because there is Leonie Breebaart.
You probably have never heard of her, but she is an editor of my morning newspaper and, now and then, writes a column.
What she wrote struck me like lightning. We are not alone! Just listen to what she wrote: -QUOTE-
Things must change, but must it be communist? (Title of the column)
It is May 1st, but in the Netherlands, Labor Day is no longer a mandatory day off.
For civil servants in Amsterdam, that tradition was only abolished in 2016, I read, after the VVD (US Rep-like party) had labeled it a 'relic from a distant socialist past'.
Indeed, a distant past. I cannot recall a time when socialists paraded through the streets with red flags on May 1st.
But contrary to what the VVD might hope, anti-capitalism is definitely growing.
'I am a communist, sir,' a high school student from Rotterdam wrote to her teacher, as could be read in this newspaper on April 22nd.
And this Alexandra is not the only one. Many young people feel, just like her, that capitalism 'does nothing but harm' and therefore must be 'replaced'.
In itself, that is quite logical, in a time when world leaders are openly degrading themselves to the same brutal self-enrichment that Marx already stood up against.
If this is "the" capitalism, then it must be radically different. But does it have to be communist? - END QUOTE -
So discontent is real. And yet, capitalism is still here. That's the puzzle."
Of course, I know my personal answer to that question, but I prefer to prioritize your answers. Most important to know is that we are not alone.
Main Sources:
MacMillan The Encyclopedia of Philosophy, 2nd edition
of Economic Thought (2012)
TABLE OF CONTENT -----------------------------------------------------------------
1 - 100 Philosophers 9 May 2009 Start of
2 - 25+ Women Philosophers 10 May 2009 this blog
3 - 25 Adventures in Thinking 10 May 2009
4 - Modern Theories of Ethics 29 Oct 2009
5 - The Ideal State 24 Febr 2010 / 234
6 - The Mystery of the Brain 3 Sept 2010 / 266
7 - The Utopia of the Free Market 16 Febr 2012 / 383
8. - The Aftermath of Neo-liberalism 5 Sept 2012 / 413
9. - The Art Not to Be an Egoist 6 Nov 2012 / 426
10 - Non-Western Philosophy 29 May 2013 / 477
11 - Why Science is Right 2 Sept 2014 / 534
12 - A Philosopher looks at Atheism 1 Jan 2015 / 557
13 - EVIL, a philosophical investigation 17 Apr 2015 / 580
14 - Existentialism and Free Will 2 Sept 2015 / 586
15 - Spinoza 2 Sept 2016 / 615
16 - The Meaning of Life 13 Febr 2017 / 637
17 - In Search of my Self 6 Sept 2017 / 670
18 - The 20th Century Revisited 3 Apr 2018 / 706
19 - The Pessimist 11 Jan 2020 / 819
20 - The Optimist 9 Febr 2020 / 824
21 - Awakening from a Neoliberal Dream 8 Oct 2020 / 872
22 - A World Full of Patterns 1 Apr 2021 / 912
23 - The Concept of Freedom 8 Jan 2022 / 965
24 - Materialism 7 Sept 2022 / 1011
25 - Historical Materialism 5 Oct 2023 / 1088
26 - The Bonobo and the Atheist 9 Jan 2024 / 1102
27 - Artificial Intelligence 9 Feb 2024 / 1108
28 - Why Am I Here 6 Sept 2024 / 1139
The Discussion
[13:18] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): Thank you Herman
[13:18] cat (sapphira.franizzi): and there's predatory capitalism which must meet the guillotine
[13:18] Daruma Boa: I don't think money is bad in general; it's just that wanting too much of it—which makes no sense—and not doing anything good with it is what's wrong. Using it for the good of the community—that's what's bad. These days, we often lose sight of what's important—things that go beyond our own egos.
[13:18] herman Bergson: The girls even start running :-)
[13:18] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): ツ
[13:18] cat (sapphira.franizzi): agree, Daruma
[13:18] Max Chatnoir: Thanks, Herman.
[13:19] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): indeed, the problem is greeed, billionaires shareholders and CEOs waiting to have EVERYTHING
[13:19] cat (sapphira.franizzi): I have a moral problem with billionaires hoarding wealth and using it to lobby governments and keep the people wanting
[13:19] cat (sapphira.franizzi): when there's enough resources to end world hunger
[13:19] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): yep
[13:19] herman Bergson: There is nothing wrong with money....the problem is that there is no standard for ENOUGH
[13:19] cat (sapphira.franizzi): that kinda capitalism is different from the mom and pop shop kinda capitalism
[13:19] Daruma Boa: And the things they have are usually worthless anyway. Except that they're overpriced. But true value can't be bought with money.
[13:20] cat (sapphira.franizzi): this was a discussion topic in the.... 2010s i think
[13:20] cat (sapphira.franizzi): mom and pop shops are good
[13:20] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): Also i saw now that NASA cancl the Artemis program deeming it too expensive, because killing people in iran have hugher priority funding wise
[13:20] cat (sapphira.franizzi): Walmart squeezing mom and pop shops out, bad
[13:20] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): :(
[13:20] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): its just so...
[13:20] cat (sapphira.franizzi): yeah fuck the USA
[13:20] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): ㋡
[13:20] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): :(
[13:20] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): what is a mom and pop shop?
[13:20] cat (sapphira.franizzi): you can spend billions a day on Iran but have no money for healthcare
[13:21] herman Bergson: sick
[13:21] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): aah
[13:21] cat (sapphira.franizzi): a mom and pop shop is a slang-ish term for a small grocery store, usually family-owned
[13:21] Guestboook van tipjar stand: Daruma Boa donated L$100. Thank you very much, it is much appreciated!
[13:21] cat (sapphira.franizzi): used to be a very important source of community
[13:22] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): please don't use slang, not all can understand that
[13:22] cat (sapphira.franizzi): it's English
[13:22] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): it feels like the more evil something is, the more money they are willing to spend on it instead of prioritizing global progress for all of us
[13:22] Korel Laloix: And during COVID we propped up the big stores and shut down the small stores.
[13:22] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): colonizing space is surely better than blowing each other up I say
[13:22] cat (sapphira.franizzi): their goods aren't the cheapest compared to supermarkets, but for example a child can grab a snack and the owner would add it to their tab
[13:22] Korel Laloix: Big shift of wealth from the poor to the rich.
[13:23] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): I was hoping for a moon base actually
[13:23] cat (sapphira.franizzi): Bejita: yes until some idiot decides to run neon signs in space
[13:23] Max Chatnoir: Yes, the wealth gap is definitely bigger than it used to be.
[13:23] Daruma Boa: I think things have to get really bad first before people take action themselves and fight back. We need more rebellion. Like in France back in the day ;-)
[13:23] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): true
[13:23] cat (sapphira.franizzi): the rich have definitely become more brazen
[13:23] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): yes!
[13:23] Korel Laloix: Define rich though.
[13:23] Daruma Boa: Off with their heads!
[13:24] Korel Laloix: If you are wealthy enough to log into SL..... you are RICH.
[13:24] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): YA YA YA
[13:24] cat (sapphira.franizzi): anyone with more money than they need
[13:24] Korel Laloix: Compared to the rest of the world.
[13:24] herman Bergson: " I think things have to get really bad first ....Isn't that what Marx predicted about capitalism?
[13:24] Daruma Boa: It's good to have enough money that you can lead a good life.
[13:24] cat (sapphira.franizzi): trash tier definition Korel
[13:24] Korel Laloix: lol
[13:24] Daruma Boa: But 3 Ferraris, 5 Houses and suits for 10 k - I guess who needs that?
[13:24] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): Indeed
[13:24] cat (sapphira.franizzi): yep
[13:25] herman Bergson: Yes Daruma....
[13:25] cat (sapphira.franizzi): I read something
[13:25] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): it's insane, it's just to show off and say F U to everyone not as rich as you, boasting
[13:25] cat (sapphira.franizzi): people usually can't visualize how much more a billion is than a million
[13:25] Daruma Boa: Nothing wrong with nice things in your life in general.
[13:25] cat (sapphira.franizzi): 1 million seconds is 11 days, 1 billion seconds is 32 years
[13:25] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): yes, it should be a human right I say though, not just for the rich few
[13:25] herman Bergson: In RL I have enough money, a pension etc to live a good life. Decent healthcare...and I am 76 and doing fine.
[13:26] herman Bergson: I don't need more and more and more
[13:26] cat (sapphira.franizzi): a billionaire by themselves is an ethical problem
[13:26] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): same, I'm more than safe I think
[13:26] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): yes Cat
[13:26] cat (sapphira.franizzi): I'm not
[13:26] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): true
[13:26] herman Bergson: Indeed Cat...especially when they start donating money to whatever institutions....
[13:26] Daruma Boa: Yes thats what I mean Herman. But for this we must be able to reflect ourselves and our part in society
[13:27] cat (sapphira.franizzi): That's all for tax reasons Herman
[13:27] Daruma Boa: A lot of ppl can't do that.
[13:27] Max Chatnoir: I read something recently about the presidential press party. Somebody thought that the dress worn by the vice president's wife wasn't high couture enough or something like that.
[13:27] cat (sapphira.franizzi): yeah fuck all that
[13:27] Korel Laloix: wow
[13:27] cat (sapphira.franizzi): one of the things that I put as a dream
[13:27] Daruma Boa: Good example Max
[13:27] cat (sapphira.franizzi): is to be able to pass on my knowledge and expertise to a wide audience through the internet
[13:28] cat (sapphira.franizzi): as I get older, I gravitate towards the masses
[13:28] herman Bergson: My goodness, Max!
[13:28] cat (sapphira.franizzi): and have little patience for high couture
[13:28] Max Chatnoir: I was very surprised. Why did they care?
[13:28] cat (sapphira.franizzi): because I think it's pretentious
[13:28] cat (sapphira.franizzi): I read something:
[13:29] Korel Laloix: The press these days cares more about looking rich than the plight of the poor, evidently.
[13:29] cat (sapphira.franizzi): people throughout history have always sought status by seeming like they're better than others
[13:29] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): aaah
[13:30] herman Bergson: You all got the notecard?
[13:30] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): Fun fact, I have a t-shirt I got from one of my dance friends that he made, it says Skillz B4 Statuz
[13:30] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): yes, thank you
[13:30] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): just what I stand for
[13:30] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): its a perfect statement for me
[13:30] Korel Laloix: yes, thanks.
[13:30] cat (sapphira.franizzi): from skillz comes statuz
[13:30] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): good status
[13:31] herman Bergson: good...is just fun to read if you have the time
[13:31] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): not boasting
[13:31] cat (sapphira.franizzi): I think it's a societal problem that there's people who are famous because they're famous
[13:31] Daruma Boa: Totally agree Bejiita
[13:31] cat (sapphira.franizzi): such as the Kardashians, Sydney Sweeney, etc
[13:31] Daruma Boa: And we make them famous. Because a lot ppl follow those ppl.
[13:31] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): actually Trump should have one that says Statuz B¤ Skillz because he have no skills, other then destroying
[13:31] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): and prioritises his status over everything
[13:31] Daruma Boa: He has the "being mean" skill
[13:32] herman Bergson: Why are they famous? What is their ...what should I call it....contribution to society?
[13:32] cat (sapphira.franizzi): he has nothing except the backing of powerful institutions
[13:32] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): aha!
[13:32] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): yes
[13:32] cat (sapphira.franizzi): Trump literally has zero skills
[13:32] cat (sapphira.franizzi): except money
[13:32] cat (sapphira.franizzi): he has money
[13:32] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): ided
[13:33] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): status and money is all he cares about
[13:33] cat (sapphira.franizzi): When he ran in 2008 his tagline was "I'm very rich"
[13:33] herman Bergson: He has a big EGO
[13:33] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): YEP!
[13:33] cat (sapphira.franizzi): there was once I got a RL Facebook 30-day ban because I said Trump is a r*tard
[13:33] herman Bergson: But that is not what we are discussing today...
[13:33] cat (sapphira.franizzi): it's a badge I proudly wear
[13:33] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): he lies about everything... so I'm very rich "is a lie too?
[13:34] herman Bergson: We are observing that we too feel that there is something wrong with current capitalism
[13:34] Max Chatnoir: The question is can we create an economic system that is both productive and fair.
[13:34] cat (sapphira.franizzi): probably, since he has several bankruptcies and a refusal to disclose his taxes
[13:34] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): indeed cat
[13:34] herman Bergson: Indeed Max!!!
[13:34] herman Bergson: And we can
[13:34] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): yes! I hope so
[13:34] cat (sapphira.franizzi): for this question
[13:34] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): how?
[13:34] herman Bergson: Like we can create capitalism and greed
[13:34] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): in some way
[13:35] cat (sapphira.franizzi): my thoughts usually go to places like the Aztecs, before the Spanish blew it up
[13:35] cat (sapphira.franizzi): how did past societies do things
[13:35] cat (sapphira.franizzi): maybe the Native Americans
[13:35] Korel Laloix: lol
[13:35] Korel Laloix: Here we go.
[13:36] herman Bergson: I was wondering the same thing these days, Cat....why did the Huns and Arabs and Romans always want to conquer new territories?
[13:36] cat (sapphira.franizzi): capitalism
[13:37] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): and russia too
[13:37] cat (sapphira.franizzi): and also the thing I said about seeming to be better than everyone else
[13:37] Korel Laloix: And Comanches.... etc.
[13:37] herman Bergson: This peculiar drive of expansionism
[13:37] cat (sapphira.franizzi): Oh I read something about Russia, very interesting
[13:37] herman Bergson: Russia ..same story
[13:37] Max Chatnoir: more customers or more territory or more slaves?
[13:37] cat (sapphira.franizzi): the short version is that there's flat plain all the way from France to Russia, and Russia wants to keep a buffer zone between it and other countries
[13:38] Korel Laloix: And human sacrifices...
[13:38] cat (sapphira.franizzi): but what is a buffer zone for Russia is invasion for other countries
[13:38] herman Bergson: There we go, Max, it is always about money?!
[13:38] cat (sapphira.franizzi): and power
[13:38] cat (sapphira.franizzi): not sure Genghis Khan cared much about money
[13:38] herman Bergson: But what is the value of power?
[13:38] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): indeed cat because others are living there and get murdered
[13:38] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): murdered
[13:38] cat (sapphira.franizzi): some people think that their culture is the best of all
[13:39] cat (sapphira.franizzi): Rome is one, China is infamously another
[13:39] herman Bergson: Arrogance....!
[13:39] cat (sapphira.franizzi): the country's name means middle kingdom, like in the middle of everywhere
[13:39] herman Bergson: Yes...that may be a cause
[13:39] Max Chatnoir: Which country?
[13:39] cat (sapphira.franizzi): anyone with a different culture is viewed as less civilized
[13:39] Max Chatnoir: Middle kingdom?
[13:39] cat (sapphira.franizzi): China
[13:40] cat (sapphira.franizzi): China's name in Chinese means middle kingdom
[13:40] herman Bergson: No ..China is named after the first emperor CHin sha
[13:40] cat (sapphira.franizzi): they believed they were the center of the world
[13:40] Max Chatnoir: What were they in the middle of?
[13:40] cat (sapphira.franizzi): as someone fluent in Chinese, let me fact check that
[13:40] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): i hav ever thought about that
[13:40] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): never
[13:40] herman Bergson: I may have spelled his name incorrectly :-)
[13:41] cat (sapphira.franizzi): China's English name is named after Qin Shi Huang, most likely true
[13:41] cat (sapphira.franizzi): China's Chinese name, Zhong Guo, means middle kingdom, aka center of the world
[13:41] herman Bergson: Right :-)
[13:42] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): aaa ok, well never thought about what its name in Chinese was either so
[13:42] herman Bergson: It will be the center of the world in, give or take, 10 years
[13:42] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): but true, like with Japan, Japan's native name is not Japan but Nihon
[13:42] cat (sapphira.franizzi): yep
[13:42] cat (sapphira.franizzi): well every country has a native name - I have a trivia q somewhere in my database
[13:43] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): or Nippon
[13:43] cat (sapphira.franizzi): What country is Shqipëria?
[13:43] cat (sapphira.franizzi): Nippon is inaccurate (it was popularized by Nippon Paint)
[13:43] cat (sapphira.franizzi): Nihon is correct
[13:43] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): ok
[13:43] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): aaah
[13:44] herman Bergson: It is what the Kanji say
[13:44] herman Bergson: Hon means tree
[13:44] herman Bergson: Ni Hon
[13:44] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): many brand names are derived from that also, a good example is the camera brand Nikon
[13:44] cat (sapphira.franizzi): yeah but there's a peculiarity in the pronunciation
[13:44] cat (sapphira.franizzi): one-pon = ippon, two-pon = nihon, three-pon = sanbon
[13:45] herman Bergson: yes
[13:45] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): aaah
[13:45] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): like ichi ni san
[13:45] herman Bergson: ippon is one point in judo :-))
[13:45] herman Bergson: then you are done
[13:46] cat (sapphira.franizzi): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y-TNAEjt4c
[13:46] herman Bergson: Anyway..off topic again with pleasure :-))
[13:46] herman Bergson: Back to where it all began....
[13:46] cat (sapphira.franizzi): eat the rich
[13:46] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): speaking of judo and that, i have a fun say i use now and then. Ichi ni san chi go- you are way to slo(w)!
[13:46] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): ㋡
[13:46] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): just a thing i came up with a while ago
[13:46] cat (sapphira.franizzi): shi*
[13:47] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): lol
[13:47] Daruma Boa: ;-)
[13:47] cat (sapphira.franizzi): cool rhyme =3
[13:47] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): ㋡
[13:47] herman Bergson: Like Marx had a feeling something is wrong with the system and it with collapse by itself....today young people also have the feeling that there is something wrong
[13:47] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): its kinda perfect indeed
[13:47] cat (sapphira.franizzi): yep
[13:48] herman Bergson: So let's continue our project, investigating why capitalism still prevails
[13:48] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): aaah
[13:48] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): yes
[13:48] herman Bergson: Unless you still have that last remark or message...
[13:48] Max Chatnoir: And also why it seems to be so successful.
[13:49] herman Bergson: thank you all again...
[13:49] herman Bergson: Class dismissed
[13:49] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): Thank you Herman
[13:49] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): ㋡
[13:49] Korel Laloix: I think it is the system that gives us the best illusion of control.
[13:49] Korel Laloix: Thanks!
[13:49] cat (sapphira.franizzi): meoowwww~
[13:49] cat (sapphira.franizzi): its over?
[13:49] Max Chatnoir: just for today.
[13:49] Korel Laloix: Now the cake and ice cream.
[13:49] cat (sapphira.franizzi): I still hold on to my belief that there's normal capitalism (good) and rampant capitalism (bad)
[13:49] herman Bergson: Class is over but Cat you are free to stay forever :-)
[13:50] Daruma Boa: Many thanks!
[13:50] cat (sapphira.franizzi): every person who opens a restaurant is a capitalist
[13:50] Daruma Boa: It was very interesting.
[13:50] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): aaha
[13:50] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): yes u need balance true
[13:50] cat (sapphira.franizzi): people are willing to trade money for time so they don't have to cook
[13:50] cat (sapphira.franizzi): there was fast food burgers in ancient Rome!
[13:50] herman Bergson: I agree Cat...there is a normal and healthy way of capitalism
[13:50] bergfrau Apfelbaum: again so interesting! ty Herman and class
[13:50] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): and what w have now it unbalanced for sure
[13:50] Daruma Boa: Good point Cat.
[13:50] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): true herman
[13:50] cat (sapphira.franizzi): but it has gone too far
[13:51] Korel Laloix: The pendulum swings.
[13:51] Daruma Boa: A lotof things are out of balance. But we can be a little part to change things.
[13:51] cat (sapphira.franizzi): school kids go hungry, people have no healthcare, and yet there's always money for war
[13:51] cat (sapphira.franizzi): the pendulum meaning the guillotine :B
[13:51] Daruma Boa: ;-)
[13:51] Korel Laloix: Koyaanisqatsi
[13:52] herman Bergson: There is no problem to make a profit which enables you to keep your company alive and yourself too...there is a problem with those who want to make money with money
[13:52] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): indeedd cat :( its sad how it is now
[13:52] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): or like with artemis
[13:52] cat (sapphira.franizzi): that sounds like Native
[13:52] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): but money for war - no limis!
[13:52] cat (sapphira.franizzi): I mentioned something last week
[13:52] Korel Laloix: Life out of balance... and a movie as well.
[13:52] Daruma Boa: And all the ppl who dont have to work for their money. But thats an endless story;-)
[13:52] Korel Laloix: Take care all...
[13:52] cat (sapphira.franizzi): Kant - means and end
[13:53] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): cu korel
[13:53] Daruma Boa: I fly away for now and hope to see you soon again.
[13:53] cat (sapphira.franizzi): I have no respect for people for whom the end goal is money
[13:53] herman Bergson: Yes, Daruma!
[13:53] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): not me either
[13:53] cat (sapphira.franizzi): tc daruma
[13:53] cat (sapphira.franizzi): and korel
[13:53] herman Bergson: But they are the problem
[13:53] Daruma Boa: Groetjes!
[13:53] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): I want progress for all of us, in tech, well-being, everything
[13:53] cat (sapphira.franizzi): Herman
[13:53] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): but for ALL of us
[13:53] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): not just a few ultra rich
[13:54] cat (sapphira.franizzi): could you tell me if I'm interpreting the means and end thing right? =3 it was from a single philosophy module I took in online college
[13:54] cat (sapphira.franizzi): I'm with you there Bejita
[13:54] cat (sapphira.franizzi): humanity means all humanity
[13:54] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): ㋡
[13:54] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): yes
[13:54] cat (sapphira.franizzi): except rapists and animal abusers, but all humanity except them =3
[13:54] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): what is =3?
[13:55] cat (sapphira.franizzi): a smiley
[13:55] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): all the nice ones then
[13:55] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): 😀
[13:55] cat (sapphira.franizzi): all the ones deserving of being considered human.
[13:55] Max Chatnoir: cat smiley
[13:56] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): aha!
