Thursday, January 21, 2021

895: Deep embedded........

 As student of epistemology (theory of knowledge), logic and philosophy of science, I have to share something with you.


It seems that millions of Americans find that this is sound and rational reasoning. This intellectual tour de force is performed by Lou Dobbs.


Lou Dobbs some news show anchorman on Fox News. The reasoning went like this.


Dobbs: Where is the evidence? We KNOW, that the election was stolen. Why is the evidence so hard to find?


After a 60 failed lawsuits because of lack of evidence, the answer could be simply:  Because there IS no evidence,


hence the election was NOT stolen. However, this is an unacceptable conclusion for Dobbs, because he KNOWS, that the election was stolen.


It is easy to point a finger at Americans, but if we look at our present subject I can tell you that also in The Netherlands 


xenophobia and racism and dogmatic right-wing neoliberalism are deeply embedded in our society too.


In 2015 the Participation Law was accepted. It should help long-term unemployed who had psychological or physical problems or disabilities to find a job. The law is now qualified as a failure.


A large group of citizens of my country is on the sidelines and is either ignored or mistrusted and subjected to a "nothing for free"- regime that does not even shy away from encroachment on the subsistence minimum.


Mistrust is the biggest flaw in our concept of social security. The concept of man behind it is not good: the belief 


that it is your own responsibility, that you have no work, income or education.It primarily  is your own fault and doesn't fake a disability or psychic problem.


This law turned out to be nothing less than a ruthless cutback wrapped in high-flown words like participatory society and inclusive labor market.


An even worse example is what is called "de toeslagenaffaire" (benefits affair), which is the talk of the town these days. 


Thousands of citizens lost their house, their job, their health, their marriage. Yesterday the cabinet stepped down because of it.


The Childcare Benefits Scandal  is a political scandal in the Netherlands concerning false allegations of fraud 


made by the Tax and Customs Administration while attempting to police the distribution of childcare benefits. 


It is estimated that, between 2013 and 2019, authorities wrongly accused 26,000 parents of making fraudulent claims to childcare benefit,


requiring them to pay back the allowance they had received in its entirety. In many cases, this sum amounted to tens of thousands of euros, driving families into severe financial hardship.


But here is the thing: the people who were tackled by the Tax and Customs Administration were not the average Dutchman.


The target was people with foreign family names, Turkish, Eastern-europian names etc.. In other words, the Dutch with non-Dutch family names were a priori distrusted without ANY evidence.


The people behind this have acted immorally. It was all about ethnic profiling, nice populist prejudices.


Conclusion: there still is a lot of work to do all over the world.


Thank you for your attention.....



MacMillan The Encyclopedia of Philosophy, 2nd edition
Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy, 1995
Gabriel van den Brink:"Ruw Ontwaken uit een Neoliberale Droom",, 2020



The Discussion

[13:22] herman Bergson: I know it is not a nice story, but factual

[13:22] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): I have heard that all debts of those 25,000 parents have been canceled and that they receive 30,000 Euros for the damage

[13:22] herman Bergson: Yes they finally did something good

[13:22] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): but far too late

[13:23] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): it cannot repair a marriage

[13:23] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): :(

[13:23] herman Bergson: The parents would receive 30.000 euro...and the Dutch IRS would immediately claim up to 20.000 euro of it.....

[13:23] CB Axel: The thing that bothers me most about all this nationalism is that we probably wouldn't have as many immigrants as we do if western nations hadn't meddled in the elections and politics of South American, African, Asian, and Middle Eastern countries to begin with.

[13:23] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): yes but they don't now

[13:23] CB Axel: So the west destroys their countries and make them unsafe, and then we complain when they leave their homes to come here.

[13:23] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate) is online.

[13:23] herman Bergson: But now they have said...all debts with government  institutions are canceled....

[13:24] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): yes

[13:24]  There was someone in the Lecturehall:  Gemma Cleanslate!

[13:24] CB Axel: Hi, Gemma.

[13:24] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): hallo Gemma

[13:25] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): /sorry

[13:25] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): late

[13:25] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): the sad thing is indeed that the attempts to overthrow leaders in middle east like Saddam ect just have made everything even worse

[13:25] herman Bergson: Hi Gemma :-)

[13:25] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): cause it seems good side win only on film, in reality evil wins

[13:25] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): just gets worse

[13:25] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): waits for rezzzzzz

[13:25] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): Syrian war ect

[13:26] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ♥ Thank Youuuuuuuuuu!! ♥

[13:26] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): hui Gemma

[13:26] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): hi

[13:26] bergfrau Apfelbaum: heyy Gemma:-)

[13:26] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): cant sit yet nothing but

[13:26] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate):  •░░•  яєу  •░░•

[13:26] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): oops

[13:27] herman Bergson: What is clear here is that in the Netherlands immigrants are equally like in the US regarded as potential frauds and criminals

[13:27] herman Bergson: By the government!

[13:28] CB Axel: Maybe that's because we know what frauds and criminals we are in their countries of origin.

[13:28] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): that same image goes here too that the immigrants are just murderers and robbers and such

[13:28] CB Axel: It's like when Trump calls someone stupid or weak. He projects his faults on everyone else.

[13:28] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): but i think i have an explanation

[13:28] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): and i am sure some of them were in their own country too

[[13:29] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): they are revolting because we don't treat them well

[13:29] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): if you got treated like shit, that you are nothing, what would u do?

[13:29] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): that is a bit why they fall into criminality i think, the gangs ate all they have

[13:29] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): are

[13:29] herman Bergson: Yes Gemma of 100 immigrants maybe 1.5% is criminal.....of 100 citizens you can say the same

[13:30] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): correct

[13:30] herman Bergson: Most people are still holds...where ever they come from

[13:30] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): indeed

[13:30] CB Axel: But if our governments hadn't acted criminally in their countries they may not have come here in the first place.

[13:30] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): the handful of criminals spoil it for the people who badly need the shelter

[13:31] CB Axel: True, Beertje.

[13:31] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): yes

[13:31] herman Bergson: What the goverment should have done is not plundering the resources of those countries but help them to develop

[13:31] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): yes

[13:32] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): that in the first place

[13:32] CB Axel: Yes, And the trade fairly with them.

[13:32] herman Bergson: But it is all about profit

[13:32] CB Axel: *and then

[13:32] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): sure Saddam and Khadaffi ect were tyrants that had to be removed but this was the wrong way and the result was even worse, IS, Entire Syria wiped of the map along with at least 70% of the people

[13:32] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): that is the sad result

[13:32] CB Axel: Yes. Exploiting poorly run countries is much more profitable than trading fairly with them.

[13:33] herman Bergson: Indeed CB

[13:33] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): the oil was a contributor i guess

[13:34] CB Axel: From silk and spices to oil and diamonds and gold. The west hasn't always been an honest trader.

[13:34] herman Bergson: And time and again we run into this dogma of more, more, economic growth.......more profits

[13:34] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): eee NOPE

[13:34] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): the next war is about clean water

[13:34] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): hmmm :(

[13:35] herman Bergson: That will become an issue indeed Beertje

[13:35] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): well stop polluting the fresh water we have then!

[13:35] CB Axel: Probably Beertje. And habitable land away from rising oceans.

[13:35] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): thats one step

[13:36] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): Herman can live with us..i live 20 mtrs above sea-level:)

[13:36] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): your country does more about water than anyone

[13:36] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): we have some good irrigation pumps at my company,

[13:36] herman Bergson: with a 100 years the Netherlands has to be surrounded by a gigantic dike....otherwise we'll lose half of the country to the sea....including Amsterdam

[13:36] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): but they will probably not be enough the biggest i thing is 40 kW

[13:37] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): at least we will never see it

[13:37] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): made for golf irrigation, not flood prevention

[13:37] herman Bergson: No, we won't Gemma.....thanks heaven :-)

[13:37] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): right

[13:37] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): bur our children do

[13:37] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): but

[13:38] herman Bergson: But it is hard to know that you have to leave it to your grandchildren to deal with it

[13:38] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): they will do something about it in the meantime

[13:38] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): i bet

[13:38] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): we have to act now..

[13:38] herman Bergson: That's what I believe too, Gemma ^_^

[13:38] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): maybe not save everything

[13:38] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): it's time to do that

[13:38] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): but i bet they figure something out

[13:38] CB Axel: Gemma, that's what people have been doing for generations.

[13:38] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): right

[13:38] herman Bergson: Indeed

[13:39] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): very positive thinking cb

[13:39] CB Axel: We've known there are problems with pollution, but we keep ignoring it hoping someone else will fix it.

[13:39] herman Bergson: That is why I still can be an optimist :-))

[13:39] herman Bergson: That "some one else" exists, CB :-)

[13:39] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): is it a optimistic thought that you leave your grandchildren with such huge problems?

[13:39] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): thinnks so

[13:40] CB Axel: When optimism makes us keep kicking the problem down the road because "someone" will figure it out, it's dangerous.

[13:40] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): all generations have doen that beertje

[13:40] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): look back

[13:40] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): we can change that

[13:40] CB Axel: We are the "someone else."

[13:40] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): we hope

[13:40] herman Bergson: Keep in mind......

[13:40] herman Bergson: Problems don't exist....

[13:41] herman Bergson: Lack of solutions takes time to find them

[13:41] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): the solutions are only missing?

[13:41] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): hmm

[13:41] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): like vaccines

[13:41] herman Bergson: Lots of people are working on them Beertje

[13:42] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): if rules were ot passed we would probably have no fish to ear

[13:42] herman Bergson: Indeed...we found solutions for the pandemic in no time....

[13:42] CB Axel: And the US government has been ignoring the solutions because it would be bad for business.

[13:42] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): eat

[13:42] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): things will change some now cb

[13:42] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): starting tomorrow!!!!!!!!

[13:42] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): YEAH

[13:43] herman Bergson: \o/

[13:43] CB Axel: Not when big business owns our government.

[13:43] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): they wont

[13:43] CB Axel: The do already.

[13:43] CB Axel: They do

[13:43] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): actually they have been pulling back

[13:43] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): did you not see?

[13:43] CB Axel: They have been pulling back from Trump.

[13:43] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): it IS possible to go fast but when the profit demons throws the monkey wrench into the machine by asking (when can we se a profit? it al dies

[13:44] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): huge companies stopping  donations

[13:44] herman Bergson: yes indeed

[13:44] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): to the republic party

[13:44] CB Axel: To Trump and a handful of the most radical Republicans.

[13:44] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): and especially certain rads yes

[13:44] Anuska (anuska.loon) is offline.

[13:45] herman Bergson: Cheer up, CB ^_^

[13:45] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): I am convinced we will see some good changes

[13:45] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): rejoin the Paris accord

[13:45] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): accord

[13:45] herman Bergson: Yes

[13:45] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): aaaa

[13:45] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): for one

[13:45] CB Axel: I know we will. I just don't know if there will be enough changes.

[13:45] Frederica Lexenstar is offline.

[13:45] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): i bet tomorrow !!! afternoon!!!

[13:46] herman Bergson: undoing a large number of Trumpian executive orders

[13:46] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): no parties to go to so will do that

[13:46] CB Axel: Yes. We'll rejoin the Paris Accords before the end of the week if not the end of the day tomorrow.

[13:46] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): yep

[13:46] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): we will see

[13:46] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): just wish that when LHC fires up soon it could make things happen but as impressive it is it is still no miracle machine

[13:47] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): even I wish it was

[13:47] herman Bergson: Is rejoining the World Health Organization on the list too?

[13:47] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): also cancelling the ban on muslim travel here

[13:47] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): i think so

[13:47] CB Axel: I believe so, Herman.

[13:47] CB Axel: I hope so.

[13:47] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ye

[13:47] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): press COLLIDE button and all world issues POFF away

[13:47] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): and the Iran accord

[13:47] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): wish that was possible with it

[13:47] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): the world poffs away Bejiita:)

[13:47] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): but its not its just a particle accelerator

[13:48] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): is it working again bej?

[13:48] herman Bergson: Well Pompeo has done a number of nasty things just before leaving.....

[13:48] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): starting up

[13:48] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): yes \

[13:48] herman Bergson: which pissed off China and Iran

[13:48] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): but in cool down phase still

[13:48] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): and half of Europe would not meet with him!!!!!!!!!

[13:48] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): idiot!!!

[13:48] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): Biden has a lot to do the coming 4 years

[13:48] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): good by to him

[13:49] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): Trump just forbid EVERYONE from doing business with Huawei as last count

[13:49] CB Axel: Until we start throwing people like Trump, Giuliani, Pompeo, etc in jail, they'll just keep doing what they do.

[13:49] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): Huawei

[13:49] CB Axel: We have to get serious about holding them accountable.

[13:49] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): fingers crossed for the NY courts!!

[13:49] herman Bergson: They have to prosecuted...thats for sure

[13:49] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): tehy have loads of stuff on trump

[13:49] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): has Trump pardoned himself today?

[13:49] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): LOADS

[13:49] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): no he will not

[13:50] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): the lawyers told him no

[13:50] CB Axel: Beertje, last I heard he isn't going to.

[13:50] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): and he listened

[13:50] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): indeed mr T cant escape after all he have done including that crazy mob a la Hitler style

[13:50] herman Bergson: He can't.....because then he declared in advance that he is guilty of crimes

[13:50] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): i am waiting to see the list of pardons

[13:50] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): should come out tonight

[13:50] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): yes that's why I asked

[13:50] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): 400000 deaths from covid

[13:51] herman Bergson: yes indeed....also a tricky issue......

[13:51] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): as of today

[13:51] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): yes I saw that on CNN

[13:51] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): here

[13:51] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): terrible

[13:51] CB Axel: Well, 6 January wasn't exactly Kristalnacht, but it woke some people up.

[13:51] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): in the richest country

[13:51] CB Axel: Sorry if I spelled that wrong.

[13:51] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): some yes

[13:51] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): no that's a right spelling

[13:51] herman Bergson: Spelled correctly CB

[13:51] CB Axel: Yay for me!

[13:52] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): especially the homeland security

[13:52] herman Bergson: \o/

[13:52] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): aaaaa

[13:52] herman Bergson: As I said...there still is a lot to do in this world :-))

[13:52] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): sure is

[13:52] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): hm indeed CB maybe not exactly like that but still

[13:53] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): totally crazy

[13:53] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): we are only talking about the country issues

[13:53] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): that a president could do a such thing

[13:53] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): so many other countries issues

[13:53] herman Bergson: It always amazes me to see how ONE single person can influence history so much

[13:53] CB Axel: I just rewatched the play "What the Constitution Means to Me," and one thing that I liked and gives me hope is that changes in our laws are like a woman walking a dog on a beach.

[13:53] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): yes

[13:54] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): thinks that he is not the only man whoo is doing it

[13:54] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): there are little trumps in other countries

[13:54] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): hanging on to power

[13:54] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): well Trump will share the shelf with Hitler and Stalin at least as some of the worst swines ever walking the globe

[13:54] Wisdomseeker (lissena) is online.

[13:54] herman Bergson: yes yes...that is always the case....such  a person is facilitated by a specific group

[13:54] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): he might

[13:55] CB Axel: The dog runs ahead and then comes back to the woman. Then it runs ahead and comes back. Even though, if you watch the dog it looks like we're not moving forward, the woman is.

[13:55] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): along with Khadaffi and the Syria killer

[13:55] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): don't forget the "little rocket man"

[13:55] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): man

[13:55] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): yep,, he is having nuke parades again i saw

[13:55] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): (shudders)

[13:55] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): i saw his parade yesterday

[13:56] herman Bergson: Trump has performed like he performed in all his undertakings......ending up as a loser....

[13:56] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): mssed that

[13:56] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): yep

[13:56] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): indeed

[13:56] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): he did fire a lot of people tho

[13:56] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): yes like a 3 year in sandbox

[13:56] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): good people

[13:56] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): discharged through the back door

[13:56] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): yep

[13:56] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): lucky they saw the tweets

[13:56] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): UR DUMB UR FIRED UR DUMB UR FIRED WAAAAHHH WAAAAAAAH!

[13:56] herman Bergson: by Twitter

[13:57] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): he might come up with a new twitter thing of his own

[13:57] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): sigh

[13:57] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): he is still dangerous

[13:57] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): oh yes

[13:57] herman Bergson: He'll need a hobby in jail :-)

[13:57] CB Axel: That's why he needs to go to jail.

[13:57] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): fingers crossed

[13:58] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): Trump cant program so, and no honored programmer would want to write anything for him (i hope9

[13:58] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): )

[13:58] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): oh i disagree bej

[13:58] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): the Deutsche Bank want's all the money back:))

[13:58] herman Bergson: There are always rats onboard, Bejiita

[13:58] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): i guess

[13:58] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): some of those people climbing in the broken windows i bet

[13:58] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): well some coders write viruses

[13:58] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): programmers

[13:58] CB Axel: But we have to take down Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnell, Ted Cruz, and a whole lot more.

[13:58] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): some of those might help him

[13:59] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): they will CB

[13:59] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): removes mcconnell from that list

[13:59] herman Bergson: Yeah CB....

[13:59] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): stupid as he has been

[13:59] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): or one of their Russian hackers that "helped" him win the election as rumors say

[13:59] CB Axel: McConnell has to go.

[13:59] herman Bergson: Macconnel is done now...

[13:59] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): i am not sure

[13:59] CB Axel: He's a horror.

[13:59] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): Graham is dangerous too

[13:59] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): i know

[13:59] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): (shudders again)

[13:59] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): yes he sure is

[13:59] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): yep

[14:00] herman Bergson: Graham is the worst, spineless opportunist

[14:00] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): it will be interesting to see the trial

[14:00] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): who does what

[14:00] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): can't wait to see that

[14:00] CB Axel: Graham has at least two faces.

[14:00] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): its all a cement mixer now

[14:00] theo Velde is online.

[14:00] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): have lost track of all rats

[14:00] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate) GIGGLES!!

[14:00] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ...LOL...

[14:00] herman Bergson: Only TWO, CB?

[14:00] CB Axel: LOL

[14:00] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): very true

[14:01] CB Axel: I was thinking he's more like a 12 sided die.

[14:01] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): when the wind blows, his jacket blows

[14:01] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): ah

[14:01] herman Bergson: that's closer to the facts indeed :-)

[14:01] herman Bergson: Ok....we are all in good mood now for tomorrow....

[14:01] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): one doing that cant ever be taken seriously

[14:02] herman Bergson: time to move on......

[14:02] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): checks bergies gift

[14:02] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate) GIGGLES!!

[14:02] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ...LOL...

[14:02] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): to the table

[14:02] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): * PLUPP *

[14:02] herman Bergson: Thank you all again for your participation :-)

[14:02] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): :9

[14:02] CB Axel: And just because McConnell is possibly going to vote for Trump's impeachment we shouldn't let him off the hook for aiding and abetting a president who, at best, is incompetent, and, at worst, mentally deficient.

[14:02] Ciska Riverstone is online.

[14:02] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ♥ Thank Youuuuuuuuuu!! ♥

[14:02] bergfrau Apfelbaum: thank you for the very interesting hour Herman and class

[14:02] herman Bergson: Class dismissed

[14:02] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): bye for now

[14:02] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): cu Gema

[14:02] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): Thank you Herman

[14:02] CB Axel: Thank you, Herman and class.

[14:02] bergfrau Apfelbaum: hahahaha

[14:07] CB Axel: I'll see you all Thursday. :)

[14:07] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): my poor head:)

[14:07] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): haha

[14:07] herman Bergson: See you CB :-)

[14:07] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): see you CB, take care

[14:07] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): hugs CB

[14:07] bergfrau Apfelbaum: * PLUPP * PLUPP * PLUPP * 

[14:07] bergfrau Apfelbaum: ?

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