Tuesday, November 16, 2021

955: The Role of Astrology.....

 Today astrology is regarded as a kind of superstition. Astronomers look through their telescopes. Satellites explore deep space.


We know what there is: all kinds of matter and radiation, no gravity, an uninhabitable place for homo sapiens. Spending too much time in space is lethal for him.


Some sources have said that Yuri Gagarin commented during his space flight on 12 April 1961, "I don't see any God up here," 


though no such words appear in the verbatim record of his conversations with Earth stations during the spaceflight.


Astronomers of today can't find any relation between their observations of heavenly bodies and possible relations and effects regarding us, human beings.


From time immemorial, man looked to the stars and felt connected to them. Astrology was therefore practiced in ancient Egypt, jumped over to Greece,


 to Rome, to Arabia and finally it arrived in Europe of the Middle Ages and Renaissance, where it flourished. 


Astrology had a firm hold on everyday life at the time, on the practice of sciences and arts, as well as in politics. 


You hardly ever hear about the historical role of astrology in history, while decisions were made based on astrological calculations. 


After the discoveries of Copernicus and Galilei, the age of decay entered, which was accelerated by the rise of rationalism, preceded by the causal thinking of Descartes, 


which led to the emergence of the mechanical worldview in which the how-and-why, or cause and effect were inseparably linked. 


Astrology, as a Worldview based on synthetic and esoteric thinking, sank into darkness.


The sciences of the past had a broader basis than the current ones, in the sense that they usually started from a concept of totality. 


Today's astronomy, for example, is a rather narrowly defined area of a set of specialties. 


The astronomy-astrology of the Renaissance and the 16th/17th centuries not only provided man with knowledge of the universe,


 but, based on the idea of totality, that everything is connected, it also provided insight into life itself. 


The microcosm and the macrocosm formed a large integrated whole, within which they continuously influenced each other. It therefore offered man a complete world view.


This concept of totality we find in a man like Johannes Kepler (1571  - 1630). His education was thoroughly humanistic. 


He attended the Latin school in Maulbronn and received an excellent philological education at the University of Tübingen. 


In addition, Kepler showed himself to be a brilliant mathematician, who drew horoscopes for his fellow students with the greatest of ease.


These horoscopes were not simple matters of amusement. They related to this concept of totality. The world of science was not yet divided into a plethora of highly specialized fields of knowledge.


Here you see what enormous shift Homo sapiens has made in the development of his thinking, from the concept of totality about his existence to fragmentation.


Now that Homo sapiens begins to realize that he is just a part of nature and is destroying he seems to rediscover bit by bit this concept of totality.


Thank you for your attention again......

MacMillan The Encyclopedia of Philosophy, 2nd edition
Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy, 1995
Rens Bod: "Een Wereld vol Patronen".  2019

The Discussion

[13:18] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): just as i stated the last lecture that when we went into space we concluded that there is no dude on clouds up here

[13:18] herman Bergson: Behind me you see two drawings of horoscopes...one is ascribed to Kepler and the other is how it is drawn today

[13:18] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako):

[13:19] herman Bergson: However, Gagarin was an active member of the Greek Orthodox church and had his children baptized :-)

[13:20] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): That lower image looks exactly like that wheel in the game i told about before but without the actual wheels u can turn, just the baseplate under with all graphics

[13:20] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): must have been the inspiration for that

[13:20] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): i have not seen horoscopes this way before

[13:21] herman Bergson: What is interesting to observe is the growing awareness of man that he is just a part of nature, a link in the whole chain

[13:21] herman Bergson: What is called "Your horoscope of the week" in newspapers and magazines is simple BS

[13:22] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): thats just a column of text

[13:22] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): BS

[13:22] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): generated by a randomizer

[13:22] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): ?

[13:22] herman Bergson: yes...amusement :-)

[13:22] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): but still it often matches with is quite fun

[13:22] herman Bergson: BullShit, Beertje :-)

[13:22] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): thank you

[13:23] herman Bergson: But we are not allowed to use that word in public it seems :-)

[13:23] Jane Fossett: You mean Nancy Reagan was Wrong?

[13:23] herman Bergson: In what way Jane?

[13:23] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): but that there was a graphical representation. that i saw the very first time in that game, the wheel of Thanatos, but this is what i tried to describe then

[13:24] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): 'that graphical version

[13:24] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): on the wall there

[13:24] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): interesting

[13:24] Jane Fossett: She had a White House horoscope guy

[13:24] herman Bergson: was she wrong?

[13:25] Jane Fossett: well... imprecise...

[13:25] herman Bergson: Let me put it this way....

[13:25] herman Bergson: I had a colleague teacher who was partially deaf....

[13:26] herman Bergson: I once asked him how that happened

[13:26] herman Bergson: an accident....

[13:26] herman Bergson: I said...ok...tell no more...I'll gonna try and find out what happened and when

[13:27] herman Bergson: for that I used his date and time and place of birth only

[13:27] Jane Fossett: that helped

[13:27] herman Bergson: I came up with a date,,,,some year in august and the accident had to be related to water...

[13:27] herman Bergson: The month and year were correct...

[13:28] herman Bergson: in that month he dived into a swimming pool and something went wrong which damaged  his hearing

[13:29] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): like water pressure hit right in the ears or something

[13:29] herman Bergson: To find that out I used his horoscope

[13:29] herman Bergson: So, was Nancy Reagan wrong? I don't know

[13:30] Jane Fossett: (just wondered)

[13:30] herman Bergson: I have done a lot of research out of curiosity....is astrology plane nonsense or not, and I wanted an answer

[13:31] herman Bergson: because my mother in law in those days "believed" in it and I said it is nonsense

[13:31] herman Bergson: and I ran into some peculiar observations

[13:32] herman Bergson: The brother of a friend of mine ...I predicted that in given year in October something important in relation with his education would happen...

[13:33] herman Bergson: I didn't know the man nor had ever spoken to him....

[13:33] herman Bergson: october  that year he got his Ph.D.

[13:33] Jane Fossett: mail order?

[13:34] herman Bergson: University of Berlin, dear

[13:34] Jane Fossett: oh ok

[13:34] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): can these predictions be dangerous?

[13:34] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): hmm oki

[13:34] herman Bergson: Mail order is only in the US possible, as far as I know :-)

[13:35] herman Bergson: Can you predict your own death? ^_^

[13:35] herman Bergson smiles

[13:35] Jane Fossett: :-) on topic: Can a correct prediction be false if its based on bad facts or principles?

[13:35] herman Bergson: I only can say that I have no idea what to think of my observations

[13:36] herman Bergson: Hmmm... false premises lead to false conclusions

[13:37] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): like with computers, shit in = shit out

[13:37] herman Bergson: Fact is that in the 14th to 17 century astrology was accepted is factual

[13:38] herman Bergson: did it work?

[13:38] herman Bergson: I have no idea

[13:38] herman Bergson: Today the hardcore scientists say...it is all nonsense

[13:38] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): is it just coincidence or is there something

[[13:39] herman Bergson: In a way they may be right....if you really can predict the future the whole world would be deterministic.

[13:39] Neo (neounplug): think prediction, is based on one's consistency in behavior, as it becomes inevitable if one doesn't change their path

[13:39] herman Bergson: There would not exist for instance free will

[13:39] Jane Fossett: there must be a meta analysis on this someplace

[13:39] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): indeed

[13:39] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): u cant predict the free will

[13:39] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): then its not free will anymore

[13:40] Neo (neounplug): free will you can't, but train the herd to conform, and it becomes easier

[13:40] herman Bergson: Well...my other thought is, that there hardly exists real scientific and systematic research on the subject.....nobody wants to be related with "nonsense" in science.

[13:42] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): true

[13:42] herman Bergson: it's more than 35 years ago that I studied this subject...

[[13:42] Jane Fossett: "Nonsense Scientist" -- I dated one of those

[13:42] herman Bergson: But I didn't find a definite YES or NO

[13:43] Jane Fossett: (he was a definite 'NO')

[13:44] herman Bergson: I was challenged to come up with a define NO proof.....

[13:45] herman Bergson: So, was Nancy Reagan wrong....?

[13:45] Jane Fossett: :-)

[13:45] herman Bergson: Actually I love this intellectual twilight zone

[13:46] Jane Fossett: If her premises were wrong, then even a correct conclusion must be wrong.

[13:46] herman Bergson: It is like our attitude towards animals for instance.....

[13:46] herman Bergson: animals have no feelings....that is a human prerogative

[13:46] herman Bergson: and all of a sudden we have to admit that that assumption is wrong

[13:47] herman Bergson: there is more between heaven and earth in the animal kingdom

[13:47] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): our office dog surely have! Comes running toward me barking and jumping every time i walk into the factory office and trying to cheer me up

[13:47] Neo (neounplug): times when prerogative is based on suggestions

[13:47] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): same with one some neighbours had before, it also loved me

[13:47] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): .)

[13:48] Jane Fossett: (I've dated animals with no feelings)

[13:48] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): miss him still

[13:48] herman Bergson smiles at Jane

[13:48] herman Bergson: oh dear...

[13:48] Neo (neounplug): until you stepped on his paw...then he showed his feeling when he shed his tears in pain

[13:50] herman Bergson: Well....I see that it seems to give you a lot to think about....:-)

[13:51] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): I guess

[13:51] Jane Fossett: Thank you

[13:51] herman Bergson: I think Jane met Tarzan :-))

[13:51] herman Bergson: So, thank you all  again....

[13:52] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): Thank you Herman

[13:52] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako):

[13:52] herman Bergson whispers: Save your next questions for the next class :-)

[13:52] herman Bergson: Class dismissed....

[13:52] Jane Fossett: woo next time

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