"Suppose the truth is a woman - what? Then, isn't it justified that the philosophers, at least the dogmatists, none of them did understand much about women? That the awful seriousness, the blunt obtrusiveness,
with which they approached the truth, were clumsy and improper means especially to win a woman's heart! Certain is, that she didn't give in - and all dogmatism is standing there today sad and disheartened."
This is Nietzsche in Jenseits von Gut und Böse (Beyond good and bad), ready to attack dogmatism. Dozens of nice quotes you can steal from his works. A lot of his work was in the form of aphorisms.
Not because he just liked to write in that way. It was his health condition that almost forced him to, for he enjoyed only short periods of uninterrupted health.
When he was a medical orderly in the Franco-Prussian war of 1870 he contracted diphtheria and dysentery.
There never is found evidence of his alleged syphilis as the cause of his insanity. Actually, when the bacteria reach the brain the patient dies in three of four years after the first symptoms. Nietzsche had to suffer of his insanity for almost ten years.
Like Kierkegaard Nietzsche wasn't a systematic philosopher, a philosopher with a consistent ontological, epistemological or metaphysical overall theory.
He too., like Kierkegaard would have in SL at least one alt avatar with whom he permanetly would argue and discuss his own ideas.
Like Kierkegaard he was fighting himself in the first place. In Die Fröhliche Wissenschaft (The gay Science) he even defines philosophy as a physical misunderstanding and often he saw his philosophy as a fight with his health and loneliness.
Philosophers are doctors and they strive for what he called "the great health". A sick philosopher, he says, is almost a refutation of his own philosophy. A bitter observation and seriously felt by Nietzsche himself.
Nietzsche is interpreted in many ways and the worst was what you can conclude from the subtitle of a book that was published in Germany "Von Nietzsche zu Hitler" (From Nietzsche to Hitler).
However, a lot of the abuse of Nietzsche's thoughts by the Nazis is caused by Elisabeth, the sister of Nietzsche, who edited a lot of his work since 1890.
Where her brother expressed his aversion of Bismarck and the German Empire, in print she changed that into an aversion of Jews.
In Germany Nietzsche is mainly regarded as a philosopher. In France and Italy he is often interpreted as a revolutionary. In the UK and United Stated, however, he is often regarded to be a critic of culture.
In the East European countries initially he was treated as the philosopher of fascism, imperialism and rascism, but nowadays more and more he is understood as a revolutionary who broke down the petty-bougeois morality and who attacked christianity.
Just because when I was 18 and took with me Die Wille zur Macht (The Will to Power) from the library, I love to spend an extra lecture on Nietzsche to go into more detail. Maybe now I 'll understand him (^_^)
[13:19] Herman Bergson: So far my introductory lecture on Nietzsche... [13:20] Herman Bergson: I will go into detail the next lecture or maybe even two.. [13:20] Herman Bergson: Nietzsche is like Kierkegaard a kind of exception in the philosophical landscape... [13:21] Herman Bergson: not a schoolbuilder, but someone who invests his whole personality in his philosophy [13:21] Herman Bergson: Like Kierkegaard did too [13:22] Herman Bergson: So dont look for a consistent theory here [13:22] Mickorod Renard: I was trying to get my head around him,,,he seemed a little like a split personality [13:22] Laila Schuman: i think that his friendship with Paul Rees is an important aspect of his philosophy.... as he started out very hedonistic...but admired Rees.. empericism.. and in an emotional reaction to the Wagners... he evolved... so i think we need to understand Rees too [13:22] arabella Ella: he was a very tormented person, Herman, wasn't he, and very unfortunate in his (non-existent) love life? [13:23] Herman Bergson: Yes Arabella...sadly enough [13:23] Herman Bergson: Nietzsches philosophical writings are usually ordered in three periods... [13:23] Herman Bergson: we'll go into that next lecture [13:23] itsme Frederix: "eternal recurrence" was more or less a "theory" I guess which comes back again and agian in N. writings [13:24] Gudrun Odriscoll: He wrote Also sprach Zarathustra, I loved reading this when I was younger, hope you are talking about this next time [13:24] Herman Bergson: Yes Itsme....and a few more thoughts [13:24] Laila Schuman: he was, however friends with lou solome... whom he did love... unrequited... but her intuition backed up later by her understanding and practice in psychoanalysis... made ALL the difference in his work... it is like he bounced every word off of her [13:25] Ze Novikov: interesting.... [13:25] Mickorod Renard: is she the one who refused mariage? [13:25] Herman Bergson: What I think is most important , is that he isnt seen anymore as the nazi philosopher [13:26] itsme Frederix: A nice interpretation / novell about Nietzsche & Lou http://www.yalom.com/wnwsummary.html [13:26] Rodney Handrick: hmm...are you sure about that? [13:26] Mickorod Renard: but he did believe in superhuman races [13:26] arabella Ella: heidegger seems to have taken over there hasn't he herman as the nazi philosopher, correctly or not? [13:26] itsme Frederix: arabella NO [13:26] Mickorod Renard: and genetic alterations [13:27] Rodney Handrick: Thanks Itsme [13:27] Gemma Cleanslate: yes [13:27] Gudrun Odriscoll: salome was in love with several guys, one was rainer maria rilke -- [13:27] Herman Bergson: I guess you are right Arabella....he is questionable [13:27] itsme Frederix: Rilke's poems are still classic! [13:27] Mickorod Renard: ty gud [13:28] Varick Vendetta: bye all, I must go [13:28] itsme Frederix: I think Heidegger was quite wrong those days, he never said regret - but that is another topic [13:28] Herman Bergson: Lou Salome...a psychoanalyst..:-) [13:28] Mickorod Renard: I like his quote 'The man of knowledge must be able not only to love his enemies but also to hate his friends.' [13:28] Gudrun Odriscoll: I think that his idea of Uebermensch was misinterpreted and that gave him also this cudos (?!) of being a Nazi philosopher [13:28] Herman Bergson: I guess she will have had ideas about a man who grew up among 5 women [13:28] Stanley Aviatik: wilkommen Reisenkaufmann [13:29] Herman Bergson: yes Gudrun...definitely...we'll come to that certainly [13:29] arabella Ella: Herman will you discuss his ideas on Uebermensch next time? [13:30] Herman Bergson: Absolutely Arabella [13:30] Ze Novikov: Herman care to say more about a man growing up around five women? [13:30] arabella Ella: ty [13:30] Laila Schuman: i don't see him talking about a superhuman race... i believe he was looking for the one inside himself... who could overcome... and hoped that others would als [13:30] AristotleVon Doobie: I understandthat he had unsaory views on slavery [13:30] herman Bergson grins at Ze [13:30] Laila Schuman: not a race...but an individual thing [13:30] Herman Bergson: Well to mention one detail... [13:31] itsme Frederix: and say somehing about "eternal recurrence" - it could be used ethical like Kants statement - in a way [13:31] Herman Bergson: It was probably the intrigues of his sister Elizabeth that broke the relation with Lou Salome [13:31] Alarice Beaumont: Hallo Reise .-) [13:31] Mickorod Renard: mmm? what I read def suggested that his ideal was to get rid of God idea and create men as the super man [13:31] Rodney Handrick: hmm... [13:32] Gudrun Odriscoll: sisters, eh [13:32] Sage Hartmann: Could you also address his metamorphoses? (camel, lion, child). That is one of my favorite. [13:32] Ze Novikov: lol [13:32] Herman Bergson: I have the strong feeling that he as a young boy was educated pretty religious [13:32] Mickorod Renard: with reference to genetics,,,which i was suprised he knew of back then [13:32] itsme Frederix: His dad was religous by profession I thought [13:33] Herman Bergson: Yes...to begin with but he died when Nietzsche was only 4 years old [13:33] itsme Frederix: sure [13:33] itsme Frederix: another reason to count [13:33] Herman Bergson: But personally what I recognized in him when I was 18 was how he began with Schopenhauer and his pessimism.... [13:34] Mickorod Renard: I wondered whether his relationship with Wagner was a father son thing [13:34] Herman Bergson: I dont know what effect Schopies ideas on women had on him then..:-) [13:34] Ze Novikov: ummm [13:34] itsme Frederix: but do we need psychological excuses for nietzsche, its always the same every time people try to place him and come up with circumstances with Nietzsch [13:34] arabella Ella: could you tell us what Schopenhauer thought about women Herman please as i have no clue? [13:35] Herman Bergson: Well Itsme....there can be said something about that... [13:35] itsme Frederix: arrabella you won't like to know that [13:35] Zara Kraft is Offline [13:35] Laila Schuman: lou provides the psychological analysis of nietzche... from his writings, conversations and letters [13:35] arabella Ella: lol [13:35] Herman Bergson: He hated them Arabella..:-) [13:35] Era Lucas: i think Nietzsche was was the greatest philosopher and it is very hard to understand [13:35] Laila Schuman: shopenhaur was the worst male chauvinist pig i ever heard of [13:35] Sage Hartmann: lol [13:35] itsme Frederix: Laila NO [13:35] Ze Novikov: a blunt point? [13:35] AristotleVon Doobie: ROFL [13:35] Gemma Cleanslate: that puts it right laila [13:36] arabella Ella: really? wow ... still quite a few around Laila ;) [13:36] Laila Schuman: detest the man for it [13:36] AristotleVon Doobie: Right on, Laila [13:36] Alarice Beaumont: haaha [13:36] Herman Bergson: Well...like Kierkegaard Nietzche wasnt what you could call an extravert, profession oriented philosopher.... [13:36] Herman Bergson: His way of philosophy was a personal quest, like it was for Kierkegaard [13:36] itsme Frederix: and like Kiergegaard he had not that much "luck" with woman [13:37] Gudrun Odriscoll: think about all the mini schopenhauers around today, lol [13:37] Herman Bergson: so closely related with his personality [13:37] AristotleVon Doobie: Luck? [13:37] Ze Novikov: lol [13:37] Mickorod Renard: maybe he didnt say his prayers [13:37] Herman Bergson: Are that so many mini philosophers around Gudrun?? [13:37] Era Lucas: it's not personality but passion [13:37] Herman Bergson: Yes Era..the right word [13:38] Sage Hartmann: And we should be very fortunate that he didn't itsme imo :) He doubtful would have been the same brilliant philosopher without his frustrated motivations. :) [13:38] Era Lucas: ty [13:38] Laila Schuman: in thus spake zarathustra... he demonstrates both sides of his thinking... almost as dialogue [13:38] Laila Schuman: it is that stuggle with himself [13:38] Laila Schuman: so personal [13:38] arabella Ella: Herman would you agree that Nietzsche's work could also be considered as literature? and that is has many psychological elements besides philosophical of course? [13:38] Mickorod Renard: what i read I would have said he was pasionate about life,,yet he seemed cold too [13:38] itsme Frederix: It might be of couce that K. & N. (and S.) saw so much superiority in woman that they abused ;) [13:39] Gemma Cleanslate: well then was it philosophy??? or a meditation?? [13:39] Herman Bergson: Yes Arabaella...I'd rather call him a literary philosopher... [13:39] Laila Schuman: he actually wrote articles on how to write... writing style... [13:39] itsme Frederix: He also wrote some music - piano pieces [13:39] Gudrun Odriscoll: sorry herman, was absent-minded, | meant more so many mini mysoginists, using the great example of Schopenhauer [13:39] Herman Bergson: in a person as Sartre you see the same, but he also was a systematic philosopher [13:40] Gudrun Odriscoll: arabella, I read Zarathustra like literature, I agree [13:40] Herman Bergson: Well Gudrun, we may hope they took the trouble of reading Schopenhauer at least [13:40] Laila Schuman: i think part of his philosophical isolation and approach had to do with his near blindess... he had to have people read to him or get the information from conversation [13:40] Gudrun Odriscoll: maybe that turned them into mysos [13:41] Laila Schuman: so...combined with illness ...that confined him... where did he have to go but inward [13:41] Mickorod Renard: I believe he thought morality was an individual matter and not something generally.....I am not sure I understand this [13:41] arabella Ella: I think he was a person with such ideals they were difficult for him to deal with and these ideals caused him torment which is expressed in his work [13:41] Herman Bergson: I think he hadnt a pleasant life, that is for sure [13:42] anibrm Jung is Offline [13:42] arabella Ella: are you sure about him having a pleasant life herman? i think it sounds quite sad ;) [13:42] Gudrun Odriscoll: as he was anti-religious he wanted to turn away from religion as the only moralistic imperative - turning to the individuum [13:42] Herman Bergson: In a letter to Overbeck, his friend, he once wrote in despair...And I, who is the philosopher of Life...!!!!! [13:42] Herman Bergson: refering to his bad health condition in frustration [13:43] Sage Hartmann: I don't see Nietzsche has having any fixed ideals... he's more rather about constantly overcoming ideals, constantly jumping out of whatever constraints his current system of ideas and motivations seems to be in. [13:43] Mickorod Renard: yea,,,he saw religion as a form of enslavement [13:43] Gemma Cleanslate: herman said had not [13:43] Mickorod Renard: at least christianity [13:43] itsme Frederix: not only religion .. [13:43] Herman Bergson: Nietzsche was rethinking his thoughts all the time [13:44] itsme Frederix: Think it over ... if "eternal recurrence" is ruling your life you have to be damm sure about what you do! [13:44] arabella Ella: when i said idealistic i actually meant having standards that were so high they were impossible to maintain ... expections in life which were not realised [13:45] Laila Schuman: last time... i asked about where kierkegaard got his god is dead thing... nietzsche had it too... i understand that darwin and frued were on the scene and that the idea of god not being there was a major issue... is there any one philosopher one can say instigated this... or did the philosophers pick up the tone from the general society... [13:45] Gudrun Odriscoll: don;t we all have these to a certain extent arabella? [13:45] Mickorod Renard: tryin to be the superhuman,,yet succumming to ilness young must have beeen a blow [13:45] itsme Frederix: Laila I thougth Kiergegaard was very religous [13:46] Gudrun Odriscoll: he was, wasn't he [13:46] Laila Schuman: you are right itsne,,, [13:46] AristotleVon Doobie: Laila that is interesting, the point of origin of that thought [13:46] Mickorod Renard: I thought so too [13:46] itsme Frederix: being religous does not mean you are sure OR/OR [13:46] arabella Ella: yes Gudrun we all do but Nietzsche's seem to be exceptionally high standards and expectations, perhaps even a bit psychotic ... psychiatric problems perhaps? [13:46] Herman Bergson: Kierkegaard didnt know the phrase God is dead [13:47] Laila Schuman: you are right... [13:47] itsme Frederix: oke so that should be corrected in the blog [13:47] Sage Hartmann: arabella - ahh perhaps... - but I think his focus was on the moment of experience rather than the goal, i don't think the idea of the uebermeinsch was like a 'goal' to be one, but rather as a perspective to change our perspective of the moment imho. [13:47] Herman Bergson: When it comes to his Uebermensch Idea Arabella you are right [13:47] Mickorod Renard: well I picked up on this too Ara [13:47] Samuel Okelly: Kiergegaard was religious but had major issues with certain elements within the organisation of the religion and what he viewed as hypocrisy [13:47] Laila Schuman: i mispoke... but i do wonder which came first... society saying it or philosophers saying it [13:47] Rodney Handrick: Hi Cal [13:47] itsme Frederix: Sam right you are he was very individual [13:48] Mickorod Renard: dont we all Sam [13:48] Cailleach Shan: Hi. ...... slept in today! [13:48] Samuel Okelly: :) [13:48] Gemma Cleanslate: ;-) [13:48] AristotleVon Doobie: Hey Cal! [13:48] Herman Bergson: In this case Laila Nietzsche was first.. [13:48] Ze Novikov: hi [13:48] Mickorod Renard: hi cal [13:48] Stanley Aviatik: Hello there Caileach [13:48] Gudrun Odriscoll: hi [13:49] itsme Frederix: but saying God is dead is a metaphysical statement [13:49] Herman Bergson: besides his statement God is dead doesnt imply that there is no god....only just a dead one [13:49] Laila Schuman: ohhhhh that is an interesting distinction [13:49] Ze Novikov: ummm [13:49] Herman Bergson: What he meant was the death of christian morality [13:50] Stanley Aviatik: I suspect he meant god in the same terms as Einstein [13:50] Alarice Beaumont: yes.. just wondered [13:50] Gudrun Odriscoll: god is dead can mean the beginning of a new era, a metaphor [13:50] Alarice Beaumont: would be a totally different meaning to it! [13:50] Mickorod Renard: I think he included 'if there ever was one' too [13:50] Herman Bergson: yes..and thus he meant it...the eara of the Uebermensch [13:50] Mickorod Renard: superman? [13:51] Mickorod Renard: superhuman,,,soz Ara [13:51] AristotleVon Doobie: death of an idea? [13:51] itsme Frederix: and I think (correct me) the statement did not mean it was al over now because of 'dead", but ... the situation was already dead, people did not live like "real" christians they were nihilistic [13:51] Herman Bergson: No..Mickorod...not a superman....he didnt meant it in a physical sense.....not the Nazi SS blonde hero [13:51] Gudrun Odriscoll: I have heard there is a better translation than superhuman, but forgot what it was [13:51] Mickorod Renard: ok ty [13:52] Herman Bergson: Literally it means that man transcends himself.. [13:52] Mickorod Renard: o.....k [13:52] Laila Schuman: that sounds more like what he was talking about ... transcending himself [13:52] Herman Bergson: it refers to a highly ethical person [13:52] Herman Bergson: a human with high virtues [13:52] Era Lucas: and to a free spirit [13:52] Ze Novikov: one who in the eastern traditions had attained enlightenment [13:53] Herman Bergson: yes Era [13:53] Mickorod Renard: was he suggesting society should be individualistic in ethics or follow a disaplin? [13:53] Herman Bergson: I would say partially , Ze...it doesnt cover the whole meaning to me [13:54] Sage Hartmann: Would it be fair to say he was tyring to show that the emotional state of 'love and joy' promoted by christianity and the likes were not a suitable 'goal' for humans - but that growth required constant struggle and tragedy? [13:54] itsme Frederix: dyonisius Sage [13:54] Mickorod Renard: but I recon the nazi thing was already on the go [13:55] Gudrun Odriscoll: I found it, some people use Overman instead of Superhuman, thought this qauite a good translation [13:55] Herman Bergson: Yes Sage...romantic passion [13:55] Mickorod Renard: ty Gud [13:55] Herman Bergson: That is the literal translation of the word Gudrun Ueber = over [13:56] Mickorod Renard: and his sis was like a nazi into an arian race and stuff [13:56] Mickorod Renard: stuff being very tech word [13:56] AristotleVon Doobie: Mick, stuff is all there is [13:56] Gudrun Odriscoll: I know, but I read some essay some time ago, and this was proposed as the better i [13:56] itsme Frederix: like Wagner a.s.o. it was a whole clan, a lot of germans moved to south america that time - (they speak german in some places overthere) [13:56] Mickorod Renard: yehh and turtles [13:57] Gudrun Odriscoll: I know, I read an essay about this, over was seen as a better alternative to super [13:57] Herman Bergson: Wasnt it paraguay? [13:58] Mickorod Renard: yes i think so Herman [13:58] Mickorod Renard: lima? [13:58] Gemma Cleanslate: and also argenttina [13:58] AristotleVon Doobie: and Argentina [13:58] itsme Frederix: guess so I saw a documentary 20 years ago - a guy called forester (or like that) [13:59] Mickorod Renard: well at least dying young he could join God earlier [13:59] AristotleVon Doobie: lol [13:59] Rodney Handrick: True Mick [13:59] itsme Frederix: got it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_F%C3%B6rster-Nietzsch e [13:59] Herman Bergson: eventually we'll see if he arrived Mickorod..:-) [13:59] Gudrun Odriscoll: no god, no joining him [14:00] Mickorod Renard: yeaaaa unless I go the wrong way [14:00] Ze Novikov: lol [14:00] Herman Bergson: That is what I mean..:-) [14:00] AristotleVon Doobie: a seance Herman? [14:00] Rodney Handrick: Boy , she looks thike someone possessed [14:00] Gemma Cleanslate: the sister?? [14:00] Herman Bergson: Yes...I have my doubts about this Elisabeth [14:00] Mickorod Renard: mmm? have u a pickie? [14:00] Rodney Handrick: yes [14:01] Cailleach Shan: Ta Itsme. [14:01] Herman Bergson: As you see....Nietsche is very inspiring... [14:01] itsme Frederix: no doubts about elisabet - the only thing thats helps ist die peitzsche [14:01] Herman Bergson: and then we not even have touched his own philosophy in detail... [14:02] Alarice Beaumont: not for the woman itsme.. to keep the man under control [14:02] Mickorod Renard: its funny,,,if you play with the pronunsiation,,nietzche sounds like nazi [14:02] Gudrun Odriscoll: black pedagogy, itsme? tztztz [14:02] Sage Hartmann: Herman, perhaps you could have a separate class for each of his major points? He has so many it's kind of a tangled mess right now if you'll pardon me saying so. [14:02] itsme Frederix: it is an interesting era that time, much more happened than you normally read [14:02] Gemma Cleanslate: oh good idea then [14:02] Herman Bergson: Mickorod..plz! [14:02] Mickorod Renard: grin [14:02] itsme Frederix: I only quoted Nietzxhe (and S.) [14:02] Herman Bergson: yes Sage.... [14:03] Rodney Handrick: wow... [14:03] Laila Schuman: i have some links where you can listen to some of his music... i'll bring them next time [14:03] Herman Bergson: That idea was the reason I restricted myself to an intruducion only for today [14:03] Sage Hartmann: ahh cool! =) [14:03] Gemma Cleanslate: ah [14:03] Gemma Cleanslate: :-) [14:03] Gudrun Odriscoll: sorry itsme, was flippant [14:03] Herman Bergson: So I will make a few lectures on Nietzsche I think.....there is to much for just one lecture [14:03] itsme Frederix: Laila I can upload the cd if you want [14:04] Alarice Beaumont: great idea Herman [14:04] Cailleach Shan: Are we getting some more then Herman? [14:04] Alarice Beaumont: :-) [14:04] Herman Bergson: Definitely Cailleach...this is just the introduction [14:04] Laila Schuman: i can send you the links soon... if you like [14:04] Ze Novikov: excellent!! [14:05] Herman Bergson: Nietzsche is an old friend of mine.... [14:05] arabella Ella: do you meet him for a coffe regularly then herman ;) [14:05] Herman Bergson: Like Dewey was a discovery for me, Nietzsche is old memories for me [14:05] Ze Novikov: lol [14:06] Gudrun Odriscoll: I hope in sanity, Herman [14:06] Herman Bergson: He doesnt drink coffee Arabbella..:-) [14:06] Herman Bergson: gives him a headache [14:06] Ze Novikov: lol [14:06] Samuel Okelly: :) [14:06] AristotleVon Doobie: I have Thus Spake Zarathustra by Friedrich Nietzsche - Project Gutenberg Etext in notecard if anyone is interested? [14:06] arabella Ella: i only said coffee to be polite, herman and cos you are dutch and the dutch drink lots of coffee ;) [14:06] Samuel Okelly: yes please Aris :) [14:07] Gemma Cleanslate: yes ari [14:07] arabella Ella: yes please Ari [14:07] herman Bergson smiles [14:07] Gemma Cleanslate: or with the book [14:07] Ze Novikov: yes please [14:07] Stanley Aviatik: ty ari [14:07] Mickorod Renard: I would like it Ari please [14:07] Gemma Cleanslate: when you send it [14:07] Herman Bergson: ok..ok...wait..... [14:07] Stanley Aviatik: thank Ari [14:07] Herman Bergson: let's sumarize the material..some are talking about music, others of books.. [14:07] Samuel Okelly: thank you Aris :) [14:08] Herman Bergson: what have we got...? [14:08] Herman Bergson: Gutenberg project..? [14:08] Mickorod Renard: I did see it for a few minutes on the Glasgow Uni site for philo [14:08] arabella Ella: thanks Ari [14:08] Mickorod Renard: its a good site by the way [14:08] Herman Bergson: URL Mickorod? [14:08] Mickorod Renard: thanks Ari [14:08] Zenobia Vertes is Online [14:09] Mickorod Renard: not on me Herman,,next time [14:09] Herman Bergson: ok..:-) [14:10] Herman Bergson: Well...I would like to thank you for this inspiring conversation...:-) [14:10] Herman Bergson: More to come... [14:10] Stanley Aviatik: Thank you so much Herman [14:10] Scheimesu Demonia: hi [14:10] Era Lucas: ty Herman [14:10] Sage Hartmann: ty herman :) [14:10] arabella Ella: thank you so much herman it is great that u will give us more lectures on nietsche, fantastic news [14:11] Alarice Beaumont: thx.. hope i can make it on sunday [14:11] Gemma Cleanslate: yes [14:11] Cailleach Shan: I'll make sure I wake up in time! [14:11] Gemma Cleanslate: see you all sunday [14:11] Samuel Okelly: http://eprints.gla.ac.uk/ [14:11] AristotleVon Doobie: Thank you Herman [14:11] Gudrun Odriscoll: thanks herman,m was a great session bye all of you [14:11] Ze Novikov: TY Herman a wonderful introduction... [14:11] Herman Bergson: Thnx Samuel [14:11] Tiara Calvert: Thank you, have a wonderful rest of your day everyone:) [14:11] Mickorod Renard: thankyou Herman,,,we will do his mind bit next yeh? [14:11] Herman Bergson: Thnx Ze [14:11] Herman Bergson: Indeed Mickorod