Sunday, May 10, 2009

93 Albert Einstein

He wrote "Die Grundlage der algemeinen Relativitätstheorie" in 1916. A couple of British astronomers climbed a mountains to make some observations during a sun eclips.

Einstein had predicted something like....light will bend and not follow a straight line when it passes a dense graviational field. And , hear...hear,....the British really observed that the light bend 1.75 seconds of an arc indeed!

A human brain used its powers and reasoned, deducted and predicted such an astronomical event. And I am not joking here......I just rest my case. This is astronomical.....

Einstein unconditionally accepted the principle of relativity as a fundamental general law of physics and regarded it as a more suitable starting point for the study of physical phenomena than Newton's laws.

The reasoning that led Einstein to recognize this fundamental point was stimulated by his interest in philosophy. The philosophers who helped him most to develop his critical powers were Hume and Mach.

Hume impressed Einstein by his penetrating criticism of traditional commonsense assumptions and dogmas. Mach's influence was more complex.

Einstein did not accept his view that the laws of physics are only summaries of experimental results, for he believed that these laws also involve factors contributed by the human mind.

He was, however, in sympathy with Mach's critical examination of Newtonian mechanics and his rejection of Newton's belief that space and time are absolute, existing in their own right irrespective of all physical phenomena.

In particular, he agreed with Mach that it was not necessary to invoke the idea of absolute space to explain the existence of inertial systems and to account for the difference between rotating and nonrotating bodies, since all motion could be regarded as occurring relative to the stellar universe.

Einstein had no sympathy with the general view of Niels Bohr and other quantum physicists that the ultimate laws of nature are not causal or deterministic.

Einstein always believed that the ultimate laws are essentially causal and deteministic and that it is only our inability to deal with large numbers in particulars in any other way that compels us to use statistical methods.

He believed that physical reality is a fourdimensional spacetime continuum in which events are already determined, the passage of time applying only to the human consciousness as it becomes aware of different events.

Einstein was also very influential in discrediting the naive empiricism that was the dominant philosophy of physics before the advent of general relativity.

In his view although the consequences of a physical theory must be tested empirically, its axioms are not automatic inferences from experience, but are free creations of the mind, which is guided by considerations of a mathematical nature.

So let me come to a conclusion,. Although Einstein was a genius, it didnt mean he answered all questions. On the contrary....his deterministic views leads to tons of problems regarding free will and ethics for one thing. There there are a number of questions in theorectical physics which Einsteins theories dont cover properly (so I was told ^_^)

His theories didnt answer all questions and now we have this theory of quantum mechanics. Another new creation of the human mind to look at reality. We are still not yet done......

The Discussion

[13:25] herman Bergson: I dropped my stone....dont throw them at me..:-)
[13:25] Apmel Goosson: hehe..
[13:25] Gemma Cleanslate: :-)
[13:25] Kay Uggla: :)
[13:25] Nick Cassavetes: :)
[13:25] arabella Ella smiles
[13:25] herman Bergson: Philosophically there are a few interesting things in Einstein's ideas
[13:26] Nick Cassavetes: very nice that you mentioned freewill Herman :)
[13:26] herman Bergson: to begin with his deteminism
[13:26] Nick Cassavetes: it's an interesting problem indeed
[13:26] herman Bergson: an other thing is his idea that not everything is derived from experience...the mind adds its own things too
[13:27] Apmel Goosson: I´ll keep my mouth shut
[13:27] herman Bergson: does anyone know the movie What the bleep do we know?
[13:27] arabella Ella: could you elaborate a bit more on Hume's influence on Einstein Herman please?
[13:27] Tiara Calvert: Yes, I've seen it
[13:27] oola Neruda: :-)
[13:27] Cailleach Shan: Sure do Herman..
[13:27] Mickorod Renard: I havn't
[13:28] Apmel Goosson: yes..rubbish
[13:28] Cailleach Shan: There is a second movie "Down the Rabbit hole"
[13:28] herman Bergson: I can advise you to watch it if you have the opportunity
[13:28] herman Bergson: especially in relation to Einsteins' ideas
[13:28] Mickorod Renard: ok
[13:28] herman Bergson: I know on my desk ^_^
[13:28] Samuel Okelly:
[13:28] herman Bergson: but the critics said it is just more of the same
[13:29] herman Bergson: nevertheless......
[13:29] herman Bergson: Einstein didnt answer all questions as you see
[13:30] itsme Frederix: still rubbish, but nice for a try
[13:30] herman Bergson: even created serious questions, especially when you say that all is causal and determinisctic
[13:30] hope63 Shepherd: if einstein had answered all questions we wouldn't be sitting here:)
[13:31] Apmel Goosson: we wouldn´t have GPs if it wasn´t for Einstein
[13:31] herman Bergson: what are GPs Apmel?
[13:31] Apmel Goosson: you know what you have in your car
[13:31] Kay Uggla: globa positioning sytem
[13:31] Apmel Goosson: that tells you where youa re
[13:31] herman Bergson: Ah..GPS...positioning system...
[13:32] Kay Uggla: yes
[13:32] herman Bergson: yes...
[13:32] Kay Uggla: sorry for my spelling
[13:32] Apmel Goosson: yes..and they have to calculate with the gravitational bendi ng of light
[13:32] itsme Frederix: Well did you (Herman) mention Einstein said about Bohr/Heisenberg: God doesn't roll a dice!
[13:32] Qwark Allen: that`s determinism
[13:33] Vladimir Apparatchik: Bohr replied - he not only rolls a dice but rolls them where they can't be seen
[13:33] Kay Uggla: smart
[13:33] Apmel Goosson: yes.. but Einstein was a realist
[13:33] itsme Frederix: how can you tell then that you got 6

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Second Life is a great virtual environment but not perfect.
We had a new update of the SL viewer, which usually
means new problems....and yes we had indeed.
My viewer runs fine till...whoever knows when, but if so
it freezes; can't do anything else but restart.....
which means...leave my class in despair. That is what
what happened, but dont worry...I returned safe and sound to
continue my class.

And for your information..I didnt read the dialogues which
took place during my absence until now, while editing
the log for publishing here.
I am really touched by this conversation and grateful to
all these nice and appreciating people.....
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[13:33] Gemma Cleanslate: OOPS
[13:34] Gemma Cleanslate: herman is gone
[13:34] Cailleach Shan: Oh no..... Herman went in to cyberspace
[13:34] Wisdom Streeter: whats going on
[13:34] Tiara Calvert: He's bending light, we can't see him
[13:34] Cailleach Shan: Down the Rabbit Hole!!!!..... .. He will be back..
[13:34] Apmel Goosson: must be Bohrs fault
[13:34] arabella Ella: LOL
[13:34] Kay Uggla: the heisenberg unctaintanity
[13:34] Cailleach Shan: Who threw that stone at him!!!! :(
[13:34] Mickorod Renard: ok apmel,,u better take over
[13:35] Ze Novikov: lol
[13:35] Gemma Cleanslate: lol
[13:35] arabella Ella: Herman please come back we need you badly ...
[13:35] Vladimir Apparatchik: yes , and that's why he found quantum mechanics repugnant
[13:35] Cailleach Shan: Come on Itsme.... your turn.
[13:35] Apmel Goosson: no I am a fan of hermans
[13:35] Wisdom Streeter: probably crashed
[13:35] Gemma Cleanslate: oh yes
[13:35] Vladimir Apparatchik: But Einstein was wrong about quantum mechanics
[13:36] oola Neruda: who was the greater genius... Einstein or Feynman
[13:36] Wisdom Streeter: so many students now
[13:36] Mickorod Renard: so can anyone explain what Einstein was about?
[13:36] Gemma Cleanslate: was he wrong or just not complete
[13:36] Vladimir Apparatchik: I can have a go
[13:36] Cailleach Shan: Go Vlad..
[13:36] Apmel Goosson: yes have a go
[13:36] Mickorod Renard: pls
[13:36] Wisdom Streeter: hey that's my seat
[13:37] arabella Ella: Plz tell us more Vlad ...
[13:37] itsme Frederix: Einstein came up with relativity but wasn't charmed of Quantum
[13:37] Vladimir Apparatchik: Einstein did not, as some people think, say everything is relative, quite the contrary
[13:37] Apmel Goosson: yes!!
[13:37] arabella Ella: so what did he say Vlad?
[13:37] Vladimir Apparatchik: it was just that some things we thought were absolute were relative
[13:37] Cailleach Shan: Hahahaha... I love chaos..
[13:37] Vladimir Apparatchik: there was an absolute but something else
[13:37] itsme Frederix: But he did it not alone, there already were translations/formulas dealing with the speed of light
[13:37] Kay Uggla: the speed of light?
[13:37] Vladimir Apparatchik: so space and time on their own were relative
[13:38] Mickorod Renard: ok
[13:38] Kay Uggla: isn't it so?
[13:38] Vladimir Apparatchik: but space-time and the speed of light (the measure that links speace and time) were absolute
[13:38] arabella Ella: do you think he was influenced by Kant Vlad?
[13:38] hope63 Shepherd: put it that way.. there is a relation between time and space
[13:38] Tiara Calvert: wb Professor:)
[13:38] Apmel Goosson: he wanted to call his theory invaraince theory
[13:38] Wisdom Streeter: herman!

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As you see in the reactions....I reappeared after relogging... die and resurecr...really feeling like Jesus (^_^)
Amen...I was back...:-)
(and had the opportunitiy to bring philosophical order in the class)
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[13:38] Vladimir Apparatchik: yes Apmel
[13:38] Qwark Allen: wb herman
[13:38] Apmel Goosson: wb
[13:38] Cailleach Shan: How was the trip Herman?? :)
[13:38] itsme Frederix: The famous Michelson/Moore experiment showed there was no ether & more important speed of light was a constant relative to the observer
[13:38] Vladimir Apparatchik: he regretted calling it relativity theory
[13:39] herman Bergson: Sorry chat didnt work anymore
[13:39] Vladimir Apparatchik: yes itme
[13:39] herman Bergson: Osrum..could you copy the chat till now in a notecard and send it to me?
[13:39] Osrum Sands: sure
[13:39] Kay Uggla: take it easy professr we are all here
[13:39] Vladimir Apparatchik: but the interesting thing was that Einstein developed his ideas purely from theory


[13:38] arabella Ella: do you think he was influenced by Kant Vlad?
[13:38] hope63 Shepherd: put it that way.. there is a relation between time and space
[13:38] Tiara Calvert: wb Professor:)
[13:38] Apmel Goosson: he wanted to call his theory invaraincetheory
[13:38] Wisdom Streeter: herman!
[13:38] Vladimir Apparatchik: yes Apmel
[13:38] Qwark Allen: wb herman
[13:38] Apmel Goosson: wb
[13:38] Cailleach Shan: How was the trip Herman?? :)
[13:38] itsme Frederix: The famous Michelson/Moore experiment showed there was no ether & more important speed of light was a constant relative to the observer
[13:38] Vladimir Apparatchik: he regretted calling it relativity theory
[13:39] Herman Bergson: Sorry chat didnt work anymore
[13:39] Vladimir Apparatchik: yes itme
[13:39] Herman Bergson: Osrum..could you copy the chat till now in a notecard and send it to me?
[13:39] Osrum Sands: sure
[13:39] Kay Uggla: take it easy professr we are all here
[13:39] Vladimir Apparatchik: but the interesting thing was that Einstein developed his ideas purely from theory
[13:39] Vladimir Apparatchik: he didnt know about Michelson?morley
[13:39] itsme Frederix: Later on counting the decade of musomes proved, time was going slower for these particles running with nearly the speed of light
[13:39] Mickorod Renard: ok
[13:39] arabella Ella: from Maths Vlad?
[13:39] Cailleach Shan: We are happy to wait for you to catch up Herman.
[13:40] Herman Bergson: Yes..Vladimir that amazes me too..
[13:40] Vladimir Apparatchik: From the theories on electromagnetism by Maxwell
[13:40] Cailleach Shan: I don't see what all this has to do with philosophy???
[13:40] Herman Bergson: he wrote article after article pure theoretical stuff
[13:40] Osrum Sands gave you New Note.
[13:40] Vladimir Apparatchik: it means that Einstein had the same view as Popper
[13:40] Herman Bergson: thnx IOsrum
[13:40] Vladimir Apparatchik: he developed the theory
[13:41] Vladimir Apparatchik: it was then tested by experiment
[13:41] Herman Bergson: It has something to do with philosophy in this way
[13:41] itsme Frederix: Yes he created also think-experiments with the possibility to falsificate
[13:41] Herman Bergson: Cailleach
[13:41] Mickorod Renard: so he philosophised about it
[13:41] Herman Bergson: that he said that not all knowledge about our world comes from experience only
[13:41] Vladimir Apparatchik: he really questioned some deep assumptions
[13:42] Herman Bergson: the eternal discussion between rationalists and empiricists
[13:42] Apmel Goosson: well i think he said that all knowledge comes from experince
[13:42] Vladimir Apparatchik: the whole of special relativity arises from only 2 assumptions
[13:42] Apmel Goosson: but then you can allways think about it
[13:42] Vladimir Apparatchik: the laws of physics are the same for all observers
[13:43] Vladimir Apparatchik: and the speed of light is constant for all observers
[13:43] Vladimir Apparatchik: everything else follows
[13:43] Kay Uggla: there you got it
[13:43] itsme Frederix: Yep
[13:43] Mickorod Renard: ok cool
[13:43] Apmel Goosson: yes vlad
[13:43] Vladimir Apparatchik: space is relative
[13:43] Vladimir Apparatchik: time is relative
[13:43] Wisdom Streeter: i gotta leave early today
[13:43] Vladimir Apparatchik: and E=mc2
[13:43] Wisdom Streeter: thanks herman
[13:43] Herman Bergson: Yes Vladimir..and it was the observer who formulated these ideas
[13:43] Vladimir Apparatchik: it's wonderful
[13:44] Qwark Allen: but not totaly true
[13:44] Herman Bergson: ok Wisdom..^_^
[13:44] Qwark Allen: light speed is variable
[13:44] itsme Frederix: Qwark but still very usable
[13:44] Herman Bergson: we still have to face the fact that the theory is created by the observer himself
[13:44] itsme Frederix: Qwark that is still not generally proven I thought
[13:45] Apmel Goosson: everything without mass moves with lightspedd
[13:45] Vladimir Apparatchik: Qwark don't confuse the "speed of light" and the speed that light travels
[13:45] Herman Bergson: Let's stick to the philosophical issues
[13:45] Apmel Goosson: which is NOT variable by defintion
[13:45] Qwark Allen: depending on the space it ocurs
[13:45] Cailleach Shan: Yes please...
[13:45] Vladimir Apparatchik: the speed of light is the universal link between space and time
[13:45] Qwark Allen: no
[13:45] Herman Bergson: hardly anyone of us is a physisist or mathematician...:-)
[13:45] Vladimir Apparatchik: light just happens to be at it most of the time
[13:46] Qwark Allen: it`s the "black mater"
[13:46] Qwark Allen: they say
[13:46] itsme Frederix: Oke Herman - the observer himsel- should we go back to the unmoved mover from Aristotle
[13:46] Herman Bergson: HOLD ON...philosophical issues plz
[13:46] Kay Uggla: *g
[13:46] Apmel Goosson: ok then Einstein was a realist
[13:46] Herman Bergson: No is the same problem we encountered last time..
[13:46] Kay Uggla: love these academical quarrels
[13:46] Gemma Cleanslate: lol
[13:47] Cailleach Shan: So Herman does each of us decide whether we are rationalists or impericists?
[13:47] Herman Bergson: as human beings we try to take the measurements of the ruler we hold in our hand by using the ruler we hold in our hand
[13:47] Samuel Okelly: though interesting, I feel there is a danger when looking at people such as Einstein (and Dawkins today for that matter) in so much as there is a tendency for fallacious argumentum ad verecundiam transgressions
[13:47] arabella Ella: schroedinger's cat herman?
[13:48] arabella Ella: or wittgenstein's beetle in the box?
[13:48] Herman Bergson: The problem is.Cailleach, that when you say that it is a decision, there must be criteria on which you ground your decision
[13:48] arabella Ella: only exist for the observer when there is an observer present?
[13:48] Herman Bergson: That , Arabella, is another classic problem
[13:49] Cailleach Shan: @ Herman. mmmm.. doesn't that mean I either trust my own experience or believe what others tell me.
[13:49] itsme Frederix: Herman that is a apriori statement, what arguments do you have to state a decission needs criteria (circle)
[13:49] Apmel Goosson: like all problems it cannot be solved philosophically :-)
[13:49] Vladimir Apparatchik: Einstein was also influenced by Spinoza
[13:50] Herman Bergson: isnt it possible to justify a decision, Itsme?
[13:50] itsme Frederix: Spinoza was one of the great minds, he is quoted a lot last days/times/
[13:50] itsme Frederix: do I need to justify before hand - or is it causality afterwards
[13:51] Herman Bergson: Even if it is causality you would need to mention the causes
[13:51] Vladimir Apparatchik: Spinoza's determinism and his idea that mind/body and God/nature are one
[13:52] arabella Ella: so is it Spinoza's influence on Einstein that gives rise to an element of mysticism in his work?
[13:52] itsme Frederix: so its afterwards you need to justify, that gives a narrow free will
[13:52] Vladimir Apparatchik: yes i think so
[13:52] arabella Ella: his awe at the workings of nature?
[13:52] Herman Bergson: Yes Vladimir....that are things you hear among these quantum physics people too
[13:52] Vladimir Apparatchik: yes
[13:52] arabella Ella: in a quasi buddhist sense?
[13:53] Herman Bergson: the idea that at the very end we are all one.....we are all pixels
[13:53] Vladimir Apparatchik: tricky - bits of buddhism maybe
[13:53] Cailleach Shan: lol.... I love that idea.
[13:53] Tiara Calvert: :)
[13:53] Apmel Goosson: well we are aren´t we:-)
[13:53] Qwark Allen: nice herman
[13:53] itsme Frederix: Well one of the things why Spinoza did not deny God and said it smooth was that he had already trouble enough - e was banned out of the jewish circle
[13:53] Kay Uggla: ha
[13:53] Kay Uggla: so true here in sl
[13:53] Kay Uggla: love that
[13:53] Kay Uggla: pixels
[13:53] Kay Uggla: hi hi hi
[13:53] Gemma Cleanslate: :-)
[13:54] Herman Bergson: may sound funny...but in RL we are all atoms, arent we
[13:54] Vladimir Apparatchik: that's why theists sometimes misquote Einstein
[13:54] Kay Uggla: true
[13:54] Vladimir Apparatchik: when he says God he means Spinoza's God
[13:54] Apmel Goosson: welll.....
[13:54] Kay Uggla: atoms and quarks = pixels here
[13:54] Herman Bergson: just specific configuartions of atoms
[13:54] arabella Ella: cool
[13:54] Apmel Goosson: or fileds..or strings
[13:54] Kay Uggla: yes
[13:54] itsme Frederix: and Spinoza's god is very ambigous/diffuse
[13:55] Herman Bergson: name it ...and I like it..^_^
[13:55] Herman Bergson: BUT.....
[13:55] Cailleach Shan: I can donate a few atoms from my hips if anyone is interested...
[13:55] Nick Cassavetes: God :)
[13:55] Gemma Cleanslate: lolololololl
[13:55] Herman Bergson: then we again have these laws of nature....
[13:55] Tiara Calvert: :)
[13:55] Ze Novikov: lol
[13:55] Apmel Goosson: ohh..NOWnyou are talking Cailleach :-)
[13:55] itsme Frederix: Herman you mean these laws of humans about nature
[13:55] Herman Bergson: lost chat again
[13:55] Herman Bergson: oh
[13:55] Herman Bergson: back
[13:55] Nick Cassavetes: sorry had rl issues, back now
[13:56] arabella Ella: wb Nick
[13:56] Nick Cassavetes: thx
[13:56] Herman Bergson: Just listen....
[13:56] Nick Cassavetes: so we're talking about Einstein on religion?
[13:56] Herman Bergson: Suppose we are alll one as a bunch of atoms
[13:56] Herman Bergson: these atoms are ruled by the laws of nature..
[13:56] Herman Bergson: so everything is causal....and here we are ---> determinism
[13:57] Apmel Goosson: so?
[13:57] itsme Frederix: Herman you mean these laws of humans about nature !!
[13:57] Nick Cassavetes: herman are you arguing for determinsim, or defending einstein?
[13:57] Herman Bergson: so....we have no responsability
[13:57] Gemma Cleanslate: I sorry..
[13:57] Gemma Cleanslate: I'm Sorry! have to go now .....
[13:57] Apmel Goosson: that does not follow from determinsim
[13:57] Vladimir Apparatchik: another interesting thing Einstein said is "the most incomprehensible thing about the universe is that it is comprehensible"
[13:57] Kay Uggla: ?
[13:57] Mickorod Renard: bye Gemma
[13:57] Nick Cassavetes: lol
[13:57] Ze Novikov: bye guys
[13:57] Herman Bergson: Ok ..Bye QWark, Gemma
[13:57] Qwark Allen: cya later friends
[13:57] Nick Cassavetes: few that get one I'm afraid Herman ;)
[13:58] Qwark Allen: ty herman
[13:58] Tiara Calvert: Bye:)
[13:58] arabella Ella: bye Gemma
[13:58] Nick Cassavetes: watch what you say ;)
[13:58] arabella Ella: bye Qwark
[13:58] Samuel Okelly: tc qwarl/gemma
[13:58] Qwark Allen: i feel it`s at half the way with einstein
[13:58] Mickorod Renard: bye quark
[13:58] Apmel Goosson: yes That is hard to understand :-9
[13:58] Qwark Allen: :-)
[13:58] itsme Frederix: Oke Herman --> determinisme but by another human law Heisenberg we are uncertain about the outcome!!
[13:58] Nick Cassavetes: I can maybe paste some interesting stuff I found on the web ...
[13:58] arabella Ella: yes please Nick
[13:59] Mickorod Renard: plz
[13:59] Herman Bergson: Ok Nick
[13:59] oola Neruda: heisenberg MAY HAVE slept here
[13:59] Nick Cassavetes: every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe -- a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is indeed quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive.
[13:59] Herman Bergson: Spam us
[13:59] Vladimir Apparatchik: itsme - Heisenberg was more radical than that - he said it's not just we who don't know - it's nature itself
[13:59] Apmel Goosson: ok Nick that´s your belief
[13:59] Nick Cassavetes: what do you guys think about that?
[13:59] Nick Cassavetes: that's einstein
[13:59] Apmel Goosson: rubbish in my ears
[13:59] Herman Bergson: Sorry Nick...but that is nonsense
[13:59] Nick Cassavetes:
[14:00] arabella Ella: a good example of spinoza's influence on einstein i would say
[14:00] itsme Frederix: Vladimit I know, but I tried to continue the discussion Herman started smooth
[14:00] Nick Cassavetes: it's it BS?
[14:00] Nick Cassavetes: please check it out Herman
[14:00] Nick Cassavetes: then we should do something about it
[14:00] Apmel Goosson: OMG
[14:00] Vladimir Apparatchik: Nick - I think you are partly right
[14:01] Nick Cassavetes: yes Vlad?
[14:01] Vladimir Apparatchik: physicists tend to be more mystical than biologists , for example
[14:01] Nick Cassavetes: for good reasons
[14:01] Apmel Goosson: that´s true vlad
[14:01] itsme Frederix: Nick sound spooky sacred-text obscure ... but I guess you are right about the quote
[14:01] Nick Cassavetes: Larmarcianism has been unrightfully debunked!
[14:01] Herman Bergson: Well....I think this is a good moment to end our discussion...
[14:01] Tiara Calvert: Gravitation is not responsible for people falling in love. -Albert Einstein
[14:01] Apmel Goosson: they don´t know evolution theory very well
[14:01] Nick Cassavetes: it's claiming it's due back these days I've heard
[14:02] Herman Bergson: In stead of a clear set of answers we may conclude that Einstein leads to a lot of new questions
[14:02] Nick Cassavetes: ok Herman
[14:02] Nick Cassavetes: your place, your rules
[14:02] Apmel Goosson: no..he leads forward
[14:02] Osrum Sands: cheers all :)
[14:02] Nick Cassavetes: thx Herman
[14:02] Mickorod Renard: bye os
[14:02] itsme Frederix: A well looking chick is proposing to create a child with Einstein to combine beauty & intelligence / ...or ..
[14:02] Nick Cassavetes: please check out that link
[14:02] Kay Uggla: still confused but on a higher level
[14:02] Cailleach Shan: Thanks Herman.... good one. Bye everyone.
[14:02] Kay Uggla: thanks you herman
[14:03] Herman Bergson: I think you have enough homework to do by now, if you reread this discussion in our blog
[14:03] Ze Novikov: bb
[14:03] Apmel Goosson: thx herman
[14:04] Vladimir Apparatchik: sorry Herman if you thought I was draggng it away from philosophy, but I think the type of science that Einstein was doing is very difficult to divorce from philosophy
[14:04] Herman Bergson: No's ok...
[14:04] Herman Bergson: the goal of this class is to make you think about philosophical questions
[14:05] Herman Bergson: and see them in a historic perspective
[14:05] Herman Bergson: we dont need to answer all questions here...
[14:05] Kay Uggla: this class has certainly teased me to come back
[14:05] Mickorod Renard: I just had a look Nick,,,I will read it
[14:06] Herman Bergson: and I think that our discussion on Einstein is a nice example; it looks impressive...there still are loose ends
[14:06] Samuel Okelly: i agree with Vlad... it appears to pose great questions of epistemlogy, of knowledge and of the role of belief...
[14:06] Herman Bergson: serious loose ends
[14:06] oola Neruda: is this einstein part one... or will there be a different philosopher next week
[14:06] Herman Bergson: Next class will be on Karl Popper....
[14:06] Herman Bergson: class dismissed ^_^
[14:07] Nick Cassavetes: bye Herman
[14:07] itsme Frederix: There he is, falsification & open society
[14:07] Mickorod Renard: thanks Herman
[14:07] Alarice Beaumont: thy Herman
[14:07] Samuel Okelly: thanks herman!
[14:07] Alarice Beaumont: was much .... :-)
[14:07] Ze Novikov: ty herman.... bb everyone
[14:07] Mickorod Renard: bye ze
[14:07] Tiara Calvert: Thanks for a wonderful class. Have a great rest of your day everyone:)
[14:07] Herman Bergson: Yes was a lot indeed
[14:07] itsme Frederix: that will be sunday - I'll call in yet

Posted by herman_bergson on 2008-10-11 15:10:14

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