As David Hume (1711- 1776) already concluded: reason is the slave of passions. And when you look at our behavior, we think we are rational beings, so different from other primates,
but this rationality.... well, it is a handy tool in life, but if you look at yourself in all honesty, you must conclude that maybe 90% of your actions are motivated by passions and sentiments.
We see this in other primates too, - think of the Capucins in the previous lecture- but this doesn't make a chimp or bonobo a "moral being". We strive for a logically coherent system and have debates about
how the death penalty fits arguments for the sanctity of life, or whether an unchosen sexual orientation can be morally wrong. These debates are uniquely human.
Animals respond to their own passions and sentiments, which affect themselves directly. They act and don't judge the appropriateness of their actions.
Homo sapiens, however, can think about good and bad also regarding matters that do not affect him directly. This is what sets human morality apart: a move toward universal standards combined with an elaborate system of justification, monitoring, and punishment.
This is the product of our reason and rationality, but our behavior is much more than reason and rationality. Like religion has taught us, or made use of this basic human characteristic, behavior is based largely on punishment and reward.
Humans are in fact so sensitive to public opinion that we only need to see a picture of two eyes glued to the wall to respond with good behavior. Religion understood this long ago and uses the image of an all-seeing eye to symbolize an omniscient God.
And what do you think about the modern eye of today: the surveillance cameras everywhere. In China, it seems to have become even a system to keep an eye on every individual citizen and his behavior, including a rating system. God anno 2024.
In China, they don't need religion, but cameras to control the people. In Western society it was religion, but we see an increase in secularization and atheism.
In a way, you could say that science has become the new religion for us. Give me the facts and then we'll see. We have gotten used to strident atheism arguing that God is not great (Christopher Hitchens) or is a delusion (Richard Dawkins).
Scientists are good at finding out why things are the way they are, or how they work, and biology may help us understand why morality looks the way it does.
Religion, like art and music, is a cultural phenomenon. Take, for instance, music. In fact a completely meaningless form of organized sound, but we love it. It has nothing to do with science, with clear knowledge, but we love it.
We probably even need it. Palestrina, Pergolesi, Cardoso, Lobo...composers who composed the most enchanting music or take Gregorian chants.
That is what religion produced as well as a lot of other magnificent art and architecture. Reason is the slave of our passions.
What I want to say is, that this stringent atheism isn't an answer to the question of the origins of morality, nor is science. Science offers us facts and answers to why and how.
But it does not offer the possibility to answer the famous question posed by David Hume: the IS - OUGHT question.
That means: how can you (logically) deduce from what IS the case, what you OUGHT to be the case, and what you ought to do?
Thank you for your attention again...
Main Sources:
MacMillan The Encyclopedia of Philosophy, 2nd edition
TABLE OF CONTENT -----------------------------------------------------------------
1 - 100 Philosophers 9 May 2009 Start of
2 - 25+ Women Philosophers 10 May 2009 this blog
3 - 25 Adventures in Thinking 10 May 2009
4 - Modern Theories of Ethics 29 Oct 2009
5 - The Ideal State 24 Febr 2010 / 234
6 - The Mystery of the Brain 3 Sept 2010 / 266
7 - The Utopia of the Free Market 16 Febr 2012 / 383
8. - The Aftermath of Neo-liberalism 5 Sept 2012 / 413
9. - The Art Not to Be an Egoist 6 Nov 2012 / 426
10 - Non-Western Philosophy 29 May 2013 / 477
11 - Why Science is Right 2 Sept 2014 / 534
12 - A Philosopher looks at Atheism 1 Jan 2015 / 557
13 - EVIL, a philosophical investigation 17 Apr 2015 / 580
14 - Existentialism and Free Will 2 Sept 2015 / 586
15 - Spinoza 2 Sept 2016 / 615
16 - The Meaning of Life 13 Febr 2017 / 637
17 - In Search of my Self 6 Sept 2017 / 670
18 - The 20th Century Revisited 3 Apr 2018 / 706
19 - The Pessimist 11 Jan 2020 / 819
20 - The Optimist 9 Febr 2020 / 824
21 - Awakening from a Neoliberal Dream 8 Oct 2020 / 872
22 - A World Full of Patterns 1 Apr 2021 / 912
23 - The Concept of Freedom 8 Jan 2022 / 965
24 - Materialism 7 Sept 2022 / 1011
25 - Historical Materialism 5 Oct 2023 / 1088
26 - Th Bonobo and the Atheist 9 Jan 2024 / 1102
The Discussion
[13:15] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): Thank you Herman
[13:15] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): ㋡
[13:15] herman Bergson: Take your time to think about it :-)
[13:15] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): Thinks
[13:15] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): hmmm
[13:17] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): Agrees science is a source of understanding almost everything
[13:17] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): and the more we know the more we know
[13:17] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): and the more questions we have too
[13:18] herman Bergson: Yes...but it doesn't answer the Is - Ought question
[13:18] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): indeed yes
[13:18] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): right
[13:18] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate) GIGGLES!!
[13:18] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ...LOL...
[13:18] Max Chatnoir: No, we have to figure that one out AND figure out how to figure it out.
[13:18] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): I guess so
[13:18] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): we are all talking double today
[13:19] herman Bergson: As Hume already said...ok...here are the facts...but how do I move to what I ought to do based on these facts?
[13:20] Max Chatnoir: Well, I find the abortion issue particularly vexing. Facts don't help.
[13:20] herman Bergson: One idea is that facts are related to a goal.....
[13:20] herman Bergson: Let's think about abortion indeed Max....a serious issue
[13:21] herman Bergson: Facts are
[13:21] herman Bergson: a woman is pregnant
[13:21] herman Bergson: woman does not want give birth to a child
[13:22] herman Bergson: the goal is to create new life with happiness and a future
[13:22] herman Bergson: there is no happiness and future for the new life
[13:23] herman Bergson: no home, no safety, no real motherly care, or even a threat of the life of the mother due to physical issues
[13:23] herman Bergson: what ought we to do?
[13:23] bergfrau Apfelbaum: It is the decision of the woman and ONLY the woman. or if she is raped and becomes pregnant......
[13:24] herman Bergson: that does not answer the question what we OUGHT to do
[13:24] herman Bergson: and WHY we OUGHT to act in a certain way
[13:25] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): there is the dilemma
[13:26] herman Bergson: There is a kind of OBLIGATION in the OUGHT....and we have to figure out where this obligation comes from. That is the ethical question here
[13:26] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): we have to respect the woman if she wants an abortion,
[13:26] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): correct
[13:26] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): even if it is for the wrong reasons
[13:26] herman Bergson: Good point Beertje.....respect for the person
[13:26] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): ah
[13:27] Max Chatnoir: I'm absolutely pro choice, and cases like the woman with the trisomy 13 (I think) child seem clearly in favor of the woman.
[13:27] herman Bergson: Respect for the other makes us the social animal we are
[13:27] herman Bergson: Questin MAx....
[13:27] Max Chatnoir: And I don't see why a woman who has already suffered from rape should be obliged to continue reliving it for months.
[13:28] herman Bergson: What does "Pro Life"mean?
[13:28] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): this question has been around from the beginning of time
[13:28] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): i am pro life but pro freedom for the woman to choose
[13:29] herman Bergson: I hear a lot of "Pro Life"movement, but I still don't know where they stand
[13:29] bergfrau Apfelbaum: The church said you couldn't do that. the church also says that you are not allowed to covet. it is dirty. But sex without desire is boring :-) no?
[13:29] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): pro life .. wanting life to come from pregnancy
[13:29] herman Bergson: That simple?
[13:29] Max Chatnoir: But being OK usually with capital punishment.
[13:29] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): but knowing there are scientific reasons it cant
[13:30] herman Bergson: You mean, if pregnant...just deliver the baby please?
[13:30] Max Chatnoir: ProLife isn't a good term for it.
[13:30] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): yep max
[13:30] Max Chatnoir: Pro choice and Anti choice.
[13:30] Max Chatnoir: choice
[13:30] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): not anti choice
[13:31] herman Bergson: The sounds better :-)
[13:31] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): pro life is an opinion
[13:31] herman Bergson: So Pro life means Pro Choice?
[13:31] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate) GIGGLES!!
[13:31] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ...LOL...
[13:31] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): in some minds yes
[13:31] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): i am against capital punishment
[13:32] herman Bergson: and in other minds it means Against Choice?
[13:32] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): yes
[13:32] Max Chatnoir: Or YOU don't get to choose, but I do.
[13:32] herman Bergson: Condusing people those Americans :-)))
[13:32] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): in some minds NO medical abortion even
[13:32] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): it is weird
[13:32] herman Bergson: this is really weird indeed
[13:32] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): hmm
[13:33] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): a woman can be dying by carrying a fetus and doctors cant help it is against the law in some states
[13:33] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): Texas
[13:33] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): omg
[13:33] Max Chatnoir: Yes, like the Trisomy case.
[13:33] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): yep
[13:33] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): yes
[13:33] herman Bergson: Yes I have heard about these horrible cases.....
[13:34] herman Bergson: So...
[13:34] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): (shudders again)3
[13:34] herman Bergson: there are the facts in relation to a pregnancy...
[13:34] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): well it sureey is a tricky and sensitive subject but..
[13:34] herman Bergson: and there is the question ...what ought we to do in this case
[13:34] bergfrau Apfelbaum: then the pregnant woman flies a piece and has it done somewhere else. This ban does nothing
[13:35] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): some cannot even afford to do that tho
[13:35] herman Bergson: If it were that simple Bergie.....you need money for that
[13:35] Max Chatnoir: Well, assuming that she can leave where she is....
[13:35] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): many cant
[13:35] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): anyway
[13:35] Neuro Wonder: well certainly there are cases we give ourselves moral license to kill, such as feeling threatened in our own home. or in war.
[13:36] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): i texas that works ... right
[13:36] herman Bergson: Oh yes Neuro...THOU SHALL NOT KILL
[13:36] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): someone knocks on the door and gets shot
[13:36] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): thru the door
[13:36] bergfrau Apfelbaum: mhm, that is correct. i hope it will be legal everywhere soon
[13:36] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): looking for help for a broken down car
[13:36] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): hmm thats Texas indeed, hillbillyland
[13:36] herman Bergson: marvelous commandment...but we added the word UNLESS to it :-))
[13:36] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate) GIGGLES!!
[13:36] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ...LOL...
[13:36] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): (shudders once again)
[13:37] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): sigh very confusing life
[13:37] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): hmm
[13:37] Max Chatnoir: Yes, that is tricky also. How threatened do you have to feel to feel justified in taking the shot?
[13:37] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): I sent you a cartoon Herman
[13:37] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): did you get it?
[13:37] herman Bergson: Don't think so...
[13:38] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): https://gyazo.com/2447acf7f3b6cf195b29a33b8686a3b8
[13:38] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): love that
[13:38] Neuro Wonder: In some pregnancy cases the woman feels threatened by the tumor growing inside her
[13:39] herman Bergson: Well, this is grad school here :-))
[13:39] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate) GIGGLES!!
[13:39] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ...LOL...
[13:39] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): right
[13:39] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): ㋡
[13:39] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): Neuro my mother did nto go to the doctor for 5 months because she thought I was a tumor
[13:39] herman Bergson: Let's put it in our context....
[13:40] Max Chatnoir: Well, what a happy surprise. :-)
[13:40] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate) GIGGLES!!
[13:40] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ...LOL...
[13:40] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): yes
[13:40] Neuro Wonder: I think Buddha was right that kindness is the ultimate wisdom
[13:40] herman Bergson: We have to find an answer to where the OUGHT comes from.....the basic moral feeling.....
[13:40] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): she had been told she could not have children
[13:40] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): aaa ok
[13:40] Neuro Wonder: That's really sad, Gemma
[13:40] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): kindness and respect Neuro
[13:40] herman Bergson: and then think of the Capucins we watched on Tuesday....
[13:40] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): but i made it!!!
[13:41] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate) GIGGLES!!
[13:41] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ...LOL...
[13:41] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): and 2 more after me
[13:41] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): yes u are here luckily
[13:41] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): ㋡
[13:41] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): oki ㋡
[13:41] Neuro Wonder: He everyone we gotta tumor roaming around, offering philosophical insights here and there
[13:41] herman Bergson: Bddha is the ultimate Bonobo :-))
[13:41] Max Chatnoir: ;-)
[13:41] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): amazing stuff
[13:42] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): Buddha was amazing too
[13:42] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): ah
[13:42] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): Buddhism is one of few religions i actually like
[13:42] Neuro Wonder: Want your mind blown, read the Dhammapada
[13:42] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): it is not a religion
[13:42] herman Bergson: Well...I guess I gave you enogh stuff to think about this coming weekend :-)
[13:43] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): Buddhism and shintoism
[13:43] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): it is a way of life
[13:43] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): they are peaceful
[13:43] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): it's not a religion Bejiita
[13:43] Neuro Wonder: I speak only of Buddhism the philosophy
[13:43] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): hmm indeed its more of a lifestyle
[13:43] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): yes that is also in question
[13:43] herman Bergson: Buddhism is not a religion
[13:43] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): yep
[13:43] Max Chatnoir: When my Mom got pregnant with my little sister she had been told that another pregnancy might kill her. Fortunately, it didn't, but imagine those days of worry.
[13:43] Neuro Wonder: The religion was added after Buddha's death and includes rituals that I think not even the Buddha would have approved of
[13:43] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): and buddha was a real person not a supernatural cloud being
[13:43] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): probably neuro
[13:44] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): same with christianity
[13:44] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): and other religions
[13:44] herman Bergson: interesting observation indeed
[13:44] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): hmm
[13:44] Neuro Wonder: No I'm pretty sure Jesus wanted to be worshipped
[13:44] herman Bergson: I disagree Neuro
[13:44] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): Question is, was jesus a real person or os he just a legend = son of god?
[13:45] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): at least some of his followers said that
[13:45] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): is
[13:45] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): history says real
[13:45] Neuro Wonder: Although Jesus, like Buddha, would not have approved of building giant gold Buddhas when there is mass suffering going on
[13:45] Max Chatnoir: and apparently with a real Y chromosome from someplace.
[13:45] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): exactly
[13:45] herman Bergson: The absurdity of the Jesus person is that he had to be a human sacrific ordered by his Father....
[13:46] herman Bergson: for some religious purpose...quite absurd
[13:46] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): but that was what his followers did
[13:46] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): nto him
[13:46] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): if you read carefully
[13:46] herman Bergson: nono...he was predestined for that fate, Gemma
[13:46] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): who said
[13:46] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): Matthew
[13:47] Neuro Wonder: Can you imagine Jesus looking walking into a church. do you think he's say "Goddammnit, Dad. They put me up on a cross. Jesus Christs. Not flattering at all."
[13:47] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): Mark
[13:47] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): Luke
[13:47] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): and John
[13:47] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): said
[13:47] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): and where does this legens come from that he is first crucifies and then comes back ti life short after, from wich we get all our holidays like christmas and easter ect
[13:47] herman Bergson: He came to free the people of the sin commited in Paradise, the eating of the apple
[13:47] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): his fahter was Joseph???
[13:47] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): they wrote the new testement
[13:47] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): i mean I learned about these in 1st class in school more or less but
[13:47] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): He did not
[13:47] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): well i guess its a mix of reality and storytelling in the end
[13:47] herman Bergson: To undo the original sin
[13:48] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): wich makes up in the end the bible
[13:48] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): according to those named above
[13:48] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): and also other religious books
[13:48] Neuro Wonder: Thing is, there's all these biblical texts after the advent of reason and rationality.
[13:48] herman Bergson: As I learned as a child...
[13:48] Neuro Wonder: Of course, having a writing system and preserving documentation plays a part.
[13:48] herman Bergson: you had heavan....purgatory....and hell
[13:49] Neuro Wonder: Conquerors often destroyed the scripts to write their own history.
[13:49] herman Bergson: but all souls went to purgatory...untillthe death of Jesus released them to go to heaven
[13:50] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): ah
[13:50] Max Chatnoir: Oh, I had not heard that one!
[13:50] herman Bergson: so...th echristian god needed a human sacrific to open the doors
[13:50] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): how did they know?
[13:51] herman Bergson: it is no knowledge Beertje...it is phatasy
[13:51] herman Bergson: phantasy
[13:51] Neuro Wonder: The biblical things often serve as the political process for the exploitation of our human skills with reason and rationality, derived from the evolutionary need to cooperate for survival of the species.
[13:51] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): yes, that I know,,but why were they convinced in those phantasy?
[13:51] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): as said, the bible is a good storybook at best
[13:51] herman Bergson: Well, MAx, that was what I was taught in primary school
[13:51] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): cause thats what it is
[13:51] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): faith bejita
[13:52] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): remember?
[13:52] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): indeed
[13:52] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): thats the secret sauce making it "work"
[13:52] Max Chatnoir: So nobody was good enough for heaven on his own?
[13:52] herman Bergson: Not until Jesus died at the cross
[13:52] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): your memory is a bit confused Herman
[13:53] Neuro Wonder: lol just the question of where did the souls go
[13:53] herman Bergson: Oh dear....you think so Gemma?
[13:53] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): purgatory is the place where people go til they have attoned for their sins
[13:53] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): then they go to heaven
[13:53] herman Bergson: yes yes....but they weren't allowed toheaven due to the original sin....until Jesus died
[13:54] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): in swedish its called Skärselden = lit cutting fire
[13:54] herman Bergson: after that purgatory was just a busstop to heaven indeed :-)
[13:54] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): the Cutting fire
[13:55] herman Bergson: That is really what I was told....that is what Jesus did...free the souls from purgatory
[13:55] bergfrau Apfelbaum: The Bible is something you can believe in. Like other names or a sausage roll. It was supposed to help me and give me strength. Ergo, faith is self-interest. and everything should be respected as long as you don't annoy the other person.
[13:55] herman Bergson smiles
[13:55] herman Bergson: ok Bergie :-)
[13:55] Neuro Wonder: We have a believing brain
[13:56] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): Where did Old Testament believers go when they died?
They suggest that Old Testament saints who died went to the realm called “Abraham's bosom” (cf. Luke 16:22–23) — a sort of holding tank. According to this theory, these believers were kept in that compartment of Hades and not brought into the heaven of heavens until Christ conquered death in His resurrection.
[13:56] herman Bergson: We have a brain that likes to believe all kinds of things :-)
[13:56] Neuro Wonder: I would love to have an imaginary friend to talk to and ask for help
[13:56] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): hmm
[13:56] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): indeed
[13:57] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate) GIGGLES!!
[13:57] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ...LOL...
[13:57] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): would be great
[13:57] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): ㋡
[13:57] herman Bergson: Well there you have it, Gemma!
[13:57] Neuro Wonder: won't be long with AI i'll basically have that
[13:57] Max Chatnoir: There's a thought!
[13:57] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): Bard is pretty good
[[13:57] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): buy a teddybear Neuro
[1[1[13:58] Neuro Wonder: we will want to use AI to find answers the exact way we like them when we need them
[13:58] Neuro Wonder: nobody will have to force us
[13:58] herman Bergson: I love this theological end of our discussion...:-))
[13:58] herman Bergson: AMEN
[13:58] herman Bergson: Class dismissed.....lol
[13:58] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): AMEN
[13:58] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ok!!!KIK
[13:58] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ♥ Thank Youuuuuuuuuu!! ♥
[13:58] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): or ENTER as programmers say
[13:58] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): lol
[13:58] herman Bergson: Tjank you all agai....was really fun this time
[13:58] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): Gaat heen en vermenigvuldigd U
[13:58] Max Chatnoir: To create the AI, we would have to have figured it out.
[13:58] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): many fun versions exists
[13:58] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): ,:)
[13:59] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): Will try for Tuesday
[13:59] bergfrau Apfelbaum: thank you Herman and class :-) refreshing hour
[13:59] bergfrau Apfelbaum: yay
[13:59] Neuro Wonder: my canine creature next to me enjoyed this and would like a teddy bear
[13:59] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): hahahahhahahaahha
[13:59] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): loooool
[13:59] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate) GIGGLES!!
[13:59] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ...LOL...
[13:59] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): ㋡
[13:59] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): bye for now
[13:59] Max Chatnoir: Yes, your dog looks very sweet!
[13:59] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): the AI says ENTER
[13:59] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): nobody in this classroom understands what I said
[14:00] herman Bergson: Have a noce weekend, you all :-)
[14:00] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): and we move on to cards?
[14:00] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): ㋡
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