Tuesday, April 3, 2018


Welcome at our new project about the 20th century. Also welcome to my reshaped place. The first real change after at least a 10 years.
You may wonder, why a period of 100 years should be so special compared with all the other centuries.
And is 1900 as starting point not just an arbitrary  number on a manmade timeline? I don't think so and hope to show you.
You may not see what is happening on a broader scale when you are part of the proces yourself and in the midst of it.
Let me draw you a wider perspective to get the feeling of what I mean and what we are part of in 2018.
First primate like creatures appeared a 4.5 million years ago on earth. It took the evolving creature about a 2 million years to learn to use tools.
Then another million years to learn the use of fire. And just a 600.000 years ago we meet the Homo erectus and the homo heidelbergensis.
Topnotch technology in those days was the stone tipped spear. It took another 400.000 years to bring this smart ass, homo sapiens, on the scene.
As you see, developments are speeding up, from millions of years  to hundreds of thousand of years to get to the next level.
Next stages of evolution take steps of ten thousands of years. The Cro-Magnons were the first early anatomically modern humans that lived in the European Upper Paleolithic (50.000 - 10.000 years ago).
To approach reality and life with philosophical questions took another 38.000 years...... 
India was earlier, but when we focus on Europe, Thales of Milete lived a 2600 years ago. He is regarded to be the first Ancient Greek philosopher.
It took homo sapiens another 2300 years to change his philosophical, religious interpretation of reality into a scientific interpretation.
That means, man came up with explanations about his world, which could be checked and tested and from which predictions could be deduced. 
First steps were taken during the Renaissance and around 1700 the microcosmos and macrocosmos were subjects of physical science.
As you see, fundamental changes to our existence took place at an increasing speed. Ok, we are still talking about steps of centuries, but yet....
From 1700 on the steps taken in understanding our existence can be measured in centuries or even less.
The amazing thing here to observe is, with what speed homo sapiens interacted with his environment with respect to his survival.
In the period of 1700 to 1900 science began to claim its place. Religious dogmas were smashed to pieces and laws of nature became the rule.
What is so special about the period 1900 to 2000, the lifetime we are part of? Maybe you already got the answer.....SPEED.
The way we interact with our environment as homo sapiens is changing at a greater speed than ever in history.
We started with changes per millions of years, then thousands of years.Got really fast when we saw changes within centuries,
but what we hardly perceive is that we are in a rollercoaster of changes in our days, all happening in the 20th century and on, of course.
Let me give you one example. It took centuries to create democracy and universal suffrage and equality for men and women in that respect.
Cambridge Analytics started its project in 2014, if I am not mistaken and within 4 years it succeeded in destroying freedom of choice
by gathering data on 50 million Americans . If these  Americans discussed matters with friends and neighbors....say 100 million Americans.
CA implemented sneaky influencing  individual voters on demand of a political party. 
THAT is the result of the 20th century.....so worth to look into and that is what we are going to do.
Thank you for your attention again....^_^

If you have questions or remarks...the floor is yours...:-)

The Discussion

[13:28] CB Axel: This seems like it will be a fun topic. °͜°
[13:29] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): yes
[13:29] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): why i joined and left facebook in about 20 mins some years back!!
[13:29] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako):
[13:29] herman Bergson: I hope so CB :-)
[13:29] Piovefiore: It is very interesting!
[13:29] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): saw them grab my mail list and that was that!!
[13:29] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): it will be
[13:29] Ciska Riverstone: thanx herman hi everyone
[13:29] CB Axel: Except for the people I'm friends with on FB, I don't think I'm being influenced politically by it.
[13:29] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): hi Ciska
[13:29] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): gld you go  here Ciska
[13:30] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): got in ciska
[13:30] CB Axel: Hi, Ciska.
[13:30] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): hmm if FB hacks your mail list to bomb you with spam it is not a good thing
[13:30] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): yes
[13:30] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): or something even worse
[13:30] CB Axel: I don't read spam.
[13:30] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): it may not influence you cb but grabbing all the data from your friends slist you dont know what they do with it
[13:30] CB Axel: I rarely open anything I don't recognize as something I'd want to read.
[13:30] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): this latest thing we know
[13:31] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): but it is what we dont know yet that is more interesting
[13:31] herman Bergson: My strategy too CB
[13:31] CB Axel: Yes, they can send spam to my contacts, but they can control what they do with it.
[13:31] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): once you are there you have to worry about protecting everyone
[13:31] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): so far there have not been any harm to me at least
[13:31] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): phooey
[13:31] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): how do you know bej
[13:31] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): you dont!!
[13:31] CB Axel: Not really. They have to worry about protecting themselves.
[13:32] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ok gives up
[13:32] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): well what can they have interest in harming me
[13:32] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): what is harm tho
[13:32] Piovefiore: I think FB has narrowed all of our views in some ways, in my case, I very rarely see dissenting or alternative voices in my feed because of the algorythms they use, you end up continuall preaching to the choir so to speak
[13:32] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): but i mostly just use it to check events coming up and arranging meetings with friends
[13:32] herman Bergson: What you are discussing now is the result of only half of one century!!!
[13:32] CB Axel: Don't give up. Explain to me why I'm responsible for what my friends do?
[13:33] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate) GIGGLES!!
[13:33] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ...LOL...
[13:33] CB Axel: I honestly want to know.
[13:33] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): if we go back to early century there were suddeny laws prohibiting alcohol in usa
[13:33] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): big crime arrived
[13:33] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): moonshine
[13:33] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako):
[13:33] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): if new laws affect facebook we will see
[13:34] CB Axel: So they send me ads targeted at my interests. I have AdBlock on my browser. I don't see them and wouldn't click on them if I did see them.
[13:34] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): there are those who call grandmothers and say i am your grandson i got kidnapped
[13:34] herman Bergson: Let's get back to the larger picture....plz
[13:34] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): se nd money
[13:34] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): one thing however is now you often cant access a web page if you have adblock because they claim they loose all their income
[13:35] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): so they block you if you block their advertizing
[13:35] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): where did they get the info that billy was your grandson
[13:35] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): I'm Sorry!
[13:35] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): I sorry..
[13:35] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): back to the big picture
[13:35] herman Bergson: wikipedia would never do that and that is at least an interesting place togo :-)
[13:35] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): very
[13:35] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): but indeed, one thing that surely have changed in a fast pace is the way we communicate, with mobiles and omputers
[13:35] Piovefiore: Agreed
[13:35] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): and so far no ads
[13:36] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): ah
[13:36] herman Bergson: well Bejiita...if you compare that to the development of script and book printing and its speed of development ;-)
[13:36] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): yes
[13:36] Piovefiore: Yes
[13:37] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): hate to say it Herman but you were the one that mentioned cambridge
[13:37] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): i never would have thought about that
[13:37] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): :-)
[13:37] herman Bergson: we still have, like our ancestors only 1400 cc of brainvolume.....it never grew....
[13:37] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): that is 21st century
[13:37] herman Bergson: in fact, compared with the Cro-Magnon who had 1600 cc it even shrinked :-)))
[13:38] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): that is amazing how much is learned and retained
[13:38] herman Bergson: and yet ....can we cope with this speed of developments ? !
[13:38] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): i think we have to
[13:38] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): it seems indeed we have to
[13:38] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): we have no choice
[13:38] herman Bergson: At least that Beertje...it is about survival :-)
[13:39] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): for example if you don't have a smartphone today sometimes you cant even take the bus because you need an app to pay the ticket
[13:39] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): there is much more to come
[13:39] CB Axel: The brains that develop things at that speed aren't any bigger than ours. We should be able to keep up with them.
[13:39] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): this is only the beginning
[13:40] herman Bergson: At least you may conclude that in the period 1900 to 2000 more changes toolk place than in the forgoing thousands of years together
[13:40] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): thinking back over all the 20th century that has affected all this
[13:40] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): for me its no problem a i use computers all time but they are expensive and many esp elderly who did not grow up with computers are left out
[13:41] CB Axel: My 96 year old father's only problem with his computer is that his eyesight has deteriorated to the point that he can't see it. :(
[13:41] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): aw
[13:42] herman Bergson: Well...I guess we are all ready for this new investigation into the 20th century then ?
[13:42] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): good for him
[13:42] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ys
[13:42] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): technology s useful but we need to not be too dependent on it
[13:42] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): good for him Gemma?
[13:42] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): why?
[13:42] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): and also if power fails, what do we do then
[13:42] herman Bergson: We then take a walk Bejiita :-))
[13:43] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): i guess
[13:43] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): at 96 being so involved to love computer
[13:43] herman Bergson: Finally free from the screen  for a while...fresh air and so on :-)
[13:43] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako):
[13:43] Piovefiore: Gardening is also an option
[13:44] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): the problem is everything else also stops, you cant buy anything anywhere because everything is now cash free and paid digitally
[13:44] herman Bergson: Very good Piove fiore :-))
[13:44] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): i think we will need a huge wiki to keep track of everything we cant remember
[13:44] herman Bergson: does that mean "poor flower" ?
[13:44] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): hehe
[13:44] Piovefiore: I live in a third world country, some of the things you mention sound a bit like a chapter of Black Mirror to me
[13:44] herman Bergson: Piovefiore  ?
[13:44] Piovefiore: Hehe Rainflower
[13:45] herman Bergson: Piove...la plui....!
[13:45] herman Bergson: ok!
[13:45] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): lovely
[13:45] Piovefiore smiles
[13:45] Ciska Riverstone: heheh
[13:45] herman Bergson: nice  indeed
[13:45] CB Axel: Beautiful name, Piovefiore. °͜°
[13:45] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): well at least as long everything works the tech we have today in general is just a good thing
[13:45] Piovefiore: Thank you! :)
[13:45] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): if used orrectly that is
[13:45] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): correctly
[13:46] herman Bergson: what do you mean by Black Mirror Piovefiore???
[13:46] Piovefiore: Here we still use cash for everything and a majority of people don't have computers, and very many don't have smartphones either
[13:46] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): ok
[13:47] herman Bergson: what do you mean by Black Mirror Piovefiore???
[13:47] Piovefiore: I was reading the other day how somewhere in China they are implementing a system of achieving social merits depending on your standing in social media
[13:47] Piovefiore: but even simpler things
[13:47] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): i think she means not being able to see into the morror of what things like using a smart phone for the bus
[13:47] Piovefiore: like not being able to board a bus if you don't have a smartphone
[13:47] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): yes
[13:47] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): exactly
[13:48] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate) GIGGLES!!
[13:48] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ...LOL...
[13:48] Piovefiore: I am thinking about the TV series called Black Mirror
[13:48] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): yes, hen it comes to that point we have became TOO dependent on technology
[13:48] Piovefiore: a series of dystopian vignettes set in a not too distant future
[13:48] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): aaa seen some episode on that one before
[13:48] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): seemed like a good show
[13:48] Piovefiore: all revolving around the use of technology
[13:48] Marcy (123marceline) is offline.
[13:49] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): never saw it
[13:49] herman Bergson: I'll check it out Piovefiore :-)
[13:49] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): but many old science fiction movies have actually come true in some ways so.....
[13:49] Piovefiore: I think it is very good, some chapters better than others, but till very much worth seeing
[13:49] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): yes
[13:49] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): indeed
[13:49] Piovefiore: years before Trump they had a chapter in which a cartoon character was elected for office lol
[13:49] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): where is it shown??
[13:50] Piovefiore: I believe it is in Netflix now
[13:50] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): yes
[13:50] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): a
[13:50] Piovefiore: the first two series were BBC
[13:50] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ahha
[13:50] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ok
[13:50] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): netflix have everything nowadays almost
[13:50] herman Bergson: KODI has too :-))
[13:50] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): not heard of that one
[13:51] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): but not big in sweden i guess
[13:51] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): here its either netflix or HBO
[13:51] Piovefiore: I haven't heard of it either
[13:51] herman Bergson: Well...guess we covered everything so far :-)
[13:51] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): the name sounded vaguely familiar
[13:51] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako):
[13:51] herman Bergson: Seems you are ready for the project :-)
[13:51] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): i need to go..sorry....
[13:52] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): bye
[13:52] CB Axel: Bye, Beertje.
[13:52] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ah beetje
[13:52] Ciska Riverstone: welterusten beertje
[13:52] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): se you thursday maybe
[13:52] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont) is offline.
[13:52] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): cu Beetje
[13:52] herman Bergson: So...thank you all for your participation again....
[13:52] Gemma (gemma.cleanslate): ♥ Thank Youuuuuuuuuu!! ♥
[13:52] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): this i think will be really good
[13:52] herman Bergson: Class dismissed ....

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