Thursday, April 19, 2018

711: Our Roots.....

Our starting point of this project is the thesis that the 20th century has not been just another century,
but a period of time in which more fundamental changes took place, which shape the 21st century, than in all centuries before.
In the previous two lectures Sigmund Freud was our first proof of our thesis. He has had an indelible influence.
All of a sudden we had a subconscious and we accept the idea, that some human behavior is driven by subconscious processes.
We now regard it as obvious, that our present behavior and behavioral problems are or can be related to experiences from our childhood.
We think it is normal to explain someone's behavior by referring to his inferiority complex.
Judges find mitigating reasons regarding criminal behavior, based on the fact that the accused had such a traumatic childhood.
In other words, psychology can no longer be ignored in our society.
Now, what is the birthplace of this European society? I guess, that many would answer: Ancient Greece.
Yet, we need the year 1900 again for the right answer and the answer was given by Arthur Evans. It is Crete.
Sir Arthur John Evans (8 July 1851 – 11 July 1941) was an English archaeologist and pioneer in the study of Aegean civilization in the Bronze Age (c. 2500 until c. 800 BC)
He is most famous for unearthing the palace of Knossos on the Greek island of Crete.
Why Crete and not Greece. It was noticed that the classic writers like Homer (650 BC) Thucydides (450 BC), Herodotus (480 BC) and Strabo (83 BC)  all talk about a king Minos.
In 1883 Evans found some clay tablets with inscriptions in an antique shop in Athens. The merchants told him, that they were from Crete.
Evans and his team began the excavations in Knossos in 1900, and continued for 35 years. 
Its size far exceeded his original expectations, as did the discovery of two ancient scripts,  
which he termed Linear A and Linear B, to distinguish their writing from the pictographs also present .
It was assumed that the city and palace, which were excavated, must have been the home of this king Minos.
This puts the start of our civilization between 2500 and 1500 BC on Crete. Evans named it the Minoic civilazation.
An object from this civilization was used in the 20th century: the labrys or pelekys.
Ioannis Metaxas ( 12 April 1871 – 29 January 1941) was a Greek soldier and politician, serving as Prime Minister of Greece from 1936 until his death in 1941. 
He governed constitutionally for the first four months of his tenure, and thereafter as the strongman of the fascist 4th of August Regime.
One of the main symbols of the Fourth of August regime was the labrys, an archaic symbol of the thunder god Zeus. 
The labrys is the double-headed axe, known to the Classical Greeks and to modern Greek speakers as pelekys. 
Metaxas chose the labrys as one of the principal symbols for his regime because he believed it to be the oldest symbol of all Hellenic civilizations.
The Minoic civilization stood at the cradle of ours. Ours is still there, ready to fight fascism...even with a double axe.
Thank you for your attention again .... ^_^

The Discussion

[13:26] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): interesting
[13:26] herman Bergson: Crete was inhabited around 8000 to 7000 BC....
[13:26] herman Bergson: The homo sapiens there developed the ancient Greek script
[13:27] CB Axel: What did Minos do that made him a fascist?
[13:27] CB Axel: And ancient Greeks did scripting? Wow.
[13:27] herman Bergson: He was just a king...also known because of his labyrinth and his Minotaur
[13:27] CB Axel: I had no idea it went that far back. L)
[13:27] CB Axel: °͜°
[13:27] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): already the old greecs s a classic saiyng
[13:28] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako):
[13:28] CB Axel: I remember about the Minotaur.
[13:28] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): greeks
[13:28] herman Bergson: A bull :-)
[13:28] herman Bergson: The story of Ariadne...
[13:29] herman Bergson: The girl that gave Hercules this thread to prevent  him to loose his way in the labyrinth
[13:29] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): aaa ok
[13:29] herman Bergson: Anyone familiar with that story?
[13:29] CB Axel: Yes. She got made into a spider.
[13:29] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): no, but I like to hear it
[13:29] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): indeed, a true classic
[13:30] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): i guess thats where the term red thread comes from
[13:30] herman Bergson: You can google on it....tons of info on that
[13:30] herman Bergson: ahh...may be true Bejiita
[13:30] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako):
[13:31] Faust (faust.saenz): I think I read the oldest story was about Gilgamesh. i wonder if that made its way into Minoan culture.
[13:31] herman Bergson: I really don't know Faust
[13:32] herman Bergson: Is there a Minotaur like story in the Gilgamesh, Faust?
[13:32] Faust (faust.saenz): seems like a bit of connection. "The bull was important in the Minoan religion and culture, as it was in Sumer. Gilgamesh (who, according to Rohl, ruled in Uruk around 2487 BC) is shown as half-bull, half-man, as is the Cretan Minotaur in the much later Greek legend."
[13:33] herman Bergson: Well....there is a resemblance indeed!
[13:33] herman Bergson: interesting
[13:33] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): aaa thats why it is called a minotaur of course, its Minoan!
[13:34] herman Bergson: I wonder why people choose a bull :-)
[13:34] CB Axel: It's a sign of strength?
[13:34] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): seems logical
[13:34] herman Bergson: Probably because they basically were peasants
[13:34] Ciska Riverstone: power ;)
[13:34] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): not thought of it much more then its a mix of man and bull with a cool sounding name
[13:34] Ciska Riverstone: could draw it all
[13:34] Ciska Riverstone: run over it all
[13:34] Ciska Riverstone: ;)
[13:35] herman Bergson: A good bull means prosperity
[13:35] CB Axel: Yeah. A farmer's strongest animal would be a bull.
[13:35] Ciska Riverstone: yes
[13:35] CB Axel: As strong as an ox but more agile.
[13:35] Faust (faust.saenz): Nietzsche suggested worshiping the donkey.
[13:35] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): aaa
[13:36] Faust (faust.saenz): But that's just silly
[13:36] herman Bergson smiles
[13:36] Ciska Riverstone: because of its stubbernness? ;)
[13:36] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): silly = donkey
[13:36] CB Axel: I like donkeys, but I don't think I'd worship one.
[13:36] Faust (faust.saenz): :)
[13:36] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): lol
[13:36] CB Axel: But then, I wouldn't worship a bull, either.
[13:36] herman Bergson: There was a famous bull in the Netherlands....its name was Herman :-))
[13:37] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): yes :)
[13:37] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): hahaha
[13:37] CB Axel: I wonder if the symbol of the US Democratic party is the donkey because of its silliness or its stubbornness.
[13:37] herman Bergson: You certainly will find info on him :-)
[13:37] CB Axel: Was Herman the bull the one who liked to smell flowers?
[13:37] herman Bergson: Why would you like to offend a donkey, CB?
[13:37] CB Axel: Or am I thinking of another bull?
[13:37] Marja Haven (ladyy.haven) is online.
[13:38] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): thats Ferdinand
[13:38] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): i heaard of that bull CB:)
[13:38] CB Axel: Oh, that's right. Thanks, Bejiita.
[13:38] CB Axel: I don't want to offend donkeys. It was the group here who mentioned silliness and stubbornness. °͜°
[13:39] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako):
[13:39] herman Bergson: As you see, I am not going into 100% philosophical issues only in this project....
[13:39] Ciska Riverstone: Nietzsche seemed to love thos qualities at his later life pint ;)
[13:39] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): well its a mix of a bit of everything
[13:39] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): De stier Herman (Lelystad, 16 december 1990 – Leiden, 2 april 2004) was de eerste transgene stier ter wereld. Geschiedenis. Vóór stier Herman werden 1154 ...
[13:40] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): he was a transgender bull
[13:40] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): :)
[13:40] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): but thats needed to get it all together
[13:40] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): hahahaa
[13:40] herman Bergson: huhhhh???
[13:40] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): transgene..oops sorry
[13:40] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): loool
[13:40] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): hahahah blushes
[13:40] herman Bergson: A girl with balls????
[13:41] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): ok what more should we mix together (still thinks about renaming Herman to Ferdinand, naaah)
[13:41] CB Axel: In the US a transgender person is one who can't use public toilets. :-(
[13:41] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako):
[13:41] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): hmm ok
[13:42] herman Bergson: Guess we can conclude our discussion for today
[13:42] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): a transgene bull
[13:42] herman Bergson: unless you still have that hot question or remark :-)
[13:42] CB Axel: Yes. I think we're getting confused.
[13:42] CB Axel: And it all started with a minotaur.
[13:43] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): hahaa
[13:43] herman Bergson: before we all get transgened....
[13:43] herman Bergson: Class dismissed :-))
[13:43] CB Axel: Thank you, Herman.
[13:43] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): this gets even more confusing then my CG scripts
[13:43] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): lol
[13:43] .: Beertje :. (beertje.beaumont): pff from an old king to a transgene bull...heavy discussion tonight
[13:43] Ciska Riverstone: thanx herman
[13:43] Ciska Riverstone: thanx all
[13:43] herman Bergson: But feel free to continue the conversation :-))
[13:43] Particle Physicist Bejiita (bejiita.imako): but its fun so

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